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		By: shibashake		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2022 23:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-19769&quot;&gt;Tasha&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Mama dogs have very accurate control of the force and placement of their bites. This is why mama dogs do not accidentally hurt their puppies when they hold, carry, or correct them.

In fact, all dogs have accurate control of the force and placement of their bite. When a dog is young, he learns from his mother and litter-mates not to bite too hard on each other while playing and interacting. That is why puppies should not be separated from their mothers and siblings until they are at least 8 weeks old. Otherwise, they will miss out on this very important lesson.&quot;

https://shibashake.com/dog/just-like-a-mama-dog-biting-on-her-puppys-neck/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-19769">Tasha</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mama dogs have very accurate control of the force and placement of their bites. This is why mama dogs do not accidentally hurt their puppies when they hold, carry, or correct them.</p>
<p>In fact, all dogs have accurate control of the force and placement of their bite. When a dog is young, he learns from his mother and litter-mates not to bite too hard on each other while playing and interacting. That is why puppies should not be separated from their mothers and siblings until they are at least 8 weeks old. Otherwise, they will miss out on this very important lesson.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Tasha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tasha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My friend thinks that when her momma dog bits the puppys by the throat that she hurting them is that true]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend thinks that when her momma dog bits the puppys by the throat that she hurting them is that true</p>
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		By: Tiff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2016 05:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am curious how and if you gained your shibe&#039;s trust back after using aversive training?

I&#039;ve been raising my puppy (8 moths old) on aversive training techniques and I can see a significant distrust he has in me. He has his moments where he will listen to me and appear to like my attention. Though, some times when I walk too quickly towards him or make a quick movement he&#039;ll tuck in his tail and hunch over scared. Then, he will sometimes show his teeth or growl at me when I proceed to pick him up or try and put him up (time-out). I&#039;ve been trying out reward training and he has learned a few tricks like sit, paw, down, etc. Though, he&#039;s still scared of me. Also, he will come to me for a reward and then dart off to someone else who isn&#039;t even calling him. 

Have I damaged my relationship with my puppy? I just want him to be a good dog and I read your post about caring about what other people thought than your dogs feelings and I feel that was my error. I was so caught up in trying to get him to be a model dog and ignored how he felt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious how and if you gained your shibe&#8217;s trust back after using aversive training?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been raising my puppy (8 moths old) on aversive training techniques and I can see a significant distrust he has in me. He has his moments where he will listen to me and appear to like my attention. Though, some times when I walk too quickly towards him or make a quick movement he&#8217;ll tuck in his tail and hunch over scared. Then, he will sometimes show his teeth or growl at me when I proceed to pick him up or try and put him up (time-out). I&#8217;ve been trying out reward training and he has learned a few tricks like sit, paw, down, etc. Though, he&#8217;s still scared of me. Also, he will come to me for a reward and then dart off to someone else who isn&#8217;t even calling him. </p>
<p>Have I damaged my relationship with my puppy? I just want him to be a good dog and I read your post about caring about what other people thought than your dogs feelings and I feel that was my error. I was so caught up in trying to get him to be a model dog and ignored how he felt.</p>
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		By: shibashake		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shibashake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-10493&quot;&gt;Kate Keeler&lt;/a&gt;.

I am not a fan of shock collars. &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-shock-collar-good-bad&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Here is why.&lt;/a&gt;

The dog training area is not regulated well (if at all), so it can be a challenge to find a good trainer. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/finding-a-dog-trainer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;More on what I did while looking for a trainer.&lt;/a&gt;

There is also a lot of conflicting information out there on dog behavior, so I had a really difficult time sorting through stuff in the beginning. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/where-to-get-dog-training-and-dog-behavior-information&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;More on where I go to get information on dog training and dog behavior.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-10493">Kate Keeler</a>.</p>
<p>I am not a fan of shock collars. <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-shock-collar-good-bad" rel="nofollow ugc">Here is why.</a></p>
<p>The dog training area is not regulated well (if at all), so it can be a challenge to find a good trainer.<br />
<a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/finding-a-dog-trainer" rel="nofollow ugc">More on what I did while looking for a trainer.</a></p>
<p>There is also a lot of conflicting information out there on dog behavior, so I had a really difficult time sorting through stuff in the beginning.<br />
<a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/where-to-get-dog-training-and-dog-behavior-information" rel="nofollow ugc">More on where I go to get information on dog training and dog behavior.</a></p>
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		By: Kate Keeler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Keeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just had an awful experience with a demonstration from a company - Sit Means Sit who came out and put a shock collar on my 13 lb Basinje Terrier mix.  She&#039;s essentially a good dog - just needs more consistent training - Im the one who needs training here.  Probably reward training will work for her?  Has anyone else heard of this company?

From what I see (now) on the internet, they are a franchise operation - training people in 21 days to train dogs with a shock collar - including puppies!  There are awful reports about them using collars on both groins and necks, turning them up much too high.  My dog came away from this short demonstration afraid and with an inflamed, red neck.  She did not eat for 2 days - I ended up taking her to the vet.

My vet was shocked at the use of this collar on the very fist visit.

What do you think?

Thanks for your feedback!

Kate]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just had an awful experience with a demonstration from a company &#8211; Sit Means Sit who came out and put a shock collar on my 13 lb Basinje Terrier mix.  She&#8217;s essentially a good dog &#8211; just needs more consistent training &#8211; Im the one who needs training here.  Probably reward training will work for her?  Has anyone else heard of this company?</p>
<p>From what I see (now) on the internet, they are a franchise operation &#8211; training people in 21 days to train dogs with a shock collar &#8211; including puppies!  There are awful reports about them using collars on both groins and necks, turning them up much too high.  My dog came away from this short demonstration afraid and with an inflamed, red neck.  She did not eat for 2 days &#8211; I ended up taking her to the vet.</p>
<p>My vet was shocked at the use of this collar on the very fist visit.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback!</p>
<p>Kate</p>
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		By: Dogs Life Magazine &#124; Unique Dog Products		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-&#038;#8230" rel="nofollow ugc">http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-&#038;#8230</a>; [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Miranda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miranda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great summary.  I consider aversive and reward styles as two extremes on a continuum.  I think aversive taken to the extreme is intimidation and abuse.  Reward taken to the extreme is bribery.  Can be compared authoritarian vs permissive parenting and teaching styles.  Neither extremes gain respect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary.  I consider aversive and reward styles as two extremes on a continuum.  I think aversive taken to the extreme is intimidation and abuse.  Reward taken to the extreme is bribery.  Can be compared authoritarian vs permissive parenting and teaching styles.  Neither extremes gain respect.</p>
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		By: shibashake		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shibashake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-10489&quot;&gt;Celine&lt;/a&gt;.

In this &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-discipline-punishment-beat-hit-dog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;article on dog discipline&lt;/a&gt;, I talk about the dangers of pain-based aversive techniques, and how I teach my dogs to follow house rules.

Here is an article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/how-i-trained-my-husky-puppy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;how I trained my Husky puppy&lt;/a&gt;. I talk about how I use &quot;yes&quot; and &quot;no&quot;, how I tie the words to consequences, and how I stop undesirable behaviors.

When I first got my Shiba Inu, I started with aversive methods. It did not go well with Sephy, and ultimately, made him very sensitive to handling, lose trust in me, and develop even more behavioral issues. Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/implications-of-punishment.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;more on the risks of aversive training&lt;/a&gt;. 

Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-potty-training-facts-and-myths&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;what I do to potty train my dogs&lt;/a&gt;.

A bit more on &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/how-dogs-learn-how-dogs-think&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;how dogs learn&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-10489">Celine</a>.</p>
<p>In this <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-discipline-punishment-beat-hit-dog" rel="nofollow ugc">article on dog discipline</a>, I talk about the dangers of pain-based aversive techniques, and how I teach my dogs to follow house rules.</p>
<p>Here is an article on <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/how-i-trained-my-husky-puppy" rel="nofollow ugc">how I trained my Husky puppy</a>. I talk about how I use &#8220;yes&#8221; and &#8220;no&#8221;, how I tie the words to consequences, and how I stop undesirable behaviors.</p>
<p>When I first got my Shiba Inu, I started with aversive methods. It did not go well with Sephy, and ultimately, made him very sensitive to handling, lose trust in me, and develop even more behavioral issues. Here is <a href="http://www.dogwelfarecampaign.org/implications-of-punishment.php" rel="nofollow ugc">more on the risks of aversive training</a>. </p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-potty-training-facts-and-myths" rel="nofollow ugc">what I do to potty train my dogs</a>.</p>
<p>A bit more on <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/how-dogs-learn-how-dogs-think" rel="nofollow ugc">how dogs learn</a>.</p>
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		By: Celine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

I am a first-time shiba inu owner preparing for my puppy&#039;s arrival in a few weeks. I&#039;ve been researching a lot and am up to the obedience training part of my reading. I&#039;ve read that not many people recommend using aversive training as it may develop some aggression problems in the future.

So now I am a bit confused at how I might teach my puppy &quot;no&quot;, and to not repeat his mistakes (without having to use a spray bottle or a collar tug). I&#039;ve read that shiba inus are generally independent and am afraid that a simple &quot;no gesture&quot; and ignoring him for a few minutes may not work. Wouldn&#039;t my puppy just shrug it off and go about his own way?

In the future case where I may catch him in the act of peeing where he is not supposed to, how can i make him realize that that is a mistake without getting physical? While reward training is great for a dog that does what you want it to, how would it work to reinforce the &quot;no&quot; command?

(Apologies for the loaded question!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I am a first-time shiba inu owner preparing for my puppy&#8217;s arrival in a few weeks. I&#8217;ve been researching a lot and am up to the obedience training part of my reading. I&#8217;ve read that not many people recommend using aversive training as it may develop some aggression problems in the future.</p>
<p>So now I am a bit confused at how I might teach my puppy &#8220;no&#8221;, and to not repeat his mistakes (without having to use a spray bottle or a collar tug). I&#8217;ve read that shiba inus are generally independent and am afraid that a simple &#8220;no gesture&#8221; and ignoring him for a few minutes may not work. Wouldn&#8217;t my puppy just shrug it off and go about his own way?</p>
<p>In the future case where I may catch him in the act of peeing where he is not supposed to, how can i make him realize that that is a mistake without getting physical? While reward training is great for a dog that does what you want it to, how would it work to reinforce the &#8220;no&#8221; command?</p>
<p>(Apologies for the loaded question!)</p>
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		By: shibashake		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shibashake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-3/#comment-10487&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Here are a list of &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Cesar-Milan-Dog-Training-the-Dog-Whisperer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Cesar Millan&#039;s positive dog training techniques&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shibashake.com/dog/3-dog-training-techniques&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;a list of Millan&#039;s aversive based techniques&lt;/a&gt;, and the risks involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://shibashake.com/dog/dog-obedience-training-good-and-bad/comment-page-3/#comment-10487">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>Here are a list of <a href="http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Cesar-Milan-Dog-Training-the-Dog-Whisperer" rel="nofollow ugc">Cesar Millan&#8217;s positive dog training techniques</a>, <a href="http://shibashake.com/dog/3-dog-training-techniques" rel="nofollow ugc">a list of Millan&#8217;s aversive based techniques</a>, and the risks involved.</p>
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