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  • When you watch dogs, especially puppies at play, it is easy to believe that dogs really do need other dogs. Puppies are so exuberant in their play, they have so much fun with each other, and then they just plop down next to each other in a puppy heap during sleep time.

    How can a human even compete with that, much less replace it?

    This is probably why many dog owners today try to make their dogs into social butterflies. There is a general expectation that a dog should get along with another dog and if he does not, there must be something wrong with him.

    My trainer, however, claims that dog-to-dog socialization is purely for us humans; so we can have a dog that we can take with us everywhere. Dogs, according to her, really need to be with their people but are perfectly happy with or without other dogs around.

    She said that …

    dogs are happier curled up in bed with us, with a piece of steak, than they are with their doggie friends.

    So what do you think? Do dogs need other dogs?

    Here is what some dog veterans think …

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    5 Comments

    1. The new pictures of Reptar are great! That was some Christmas present! lol.

      Does Reptar also like shoes? Sephy likes sleeping on the shoe mat next to the shoes. I guess they smell good to him.

      Also love the pictures with Goofy. Nice to have playmates like that around the neighborhood. I am always on the lookout for good playmates for Sephy but they can be hard to find.

      Re Second dog -

      That is so exciting!

      1. I got Shania a bit over a year after I got Sephy. That was when Sephy started behaving better, so I would have the time to train the new puppy :) It is nice to have them close together in age because both are active and still enjoy puppy play.
      2. Both dogs have separate crates- even today. Sephy likes having his own space. In the beginning, I always supervised both dogs when they are together so that there is no bullying. Now that they are a bit older, there is less need for supervision, although when I am not home, Shania stays in the backyard and Sephy stays in the house.
      3. Sephy may sometimes overwhelm Shania so I always make sure he does not get too rough with her. Some people prefer to let the dogs “work it out for themselves”. I personally do not like doing that because I don’t want Shania to be fearful of Sephy.
      4. Meal times is especially important because then one dog may try to steal food from the other dog which can trigger guarding and aggression. I supervise them during meal times so that there is no stealing.
      5. Sephy actually became more obedient after we got Shania. Shania is very people focused and much better at obedience so Sephy will sometimes compete with her – lol. The important thing, I think, is to apply the same rules to both dogs and be fair to both of them. I do obedience training with both of them together, and also grooming. That way they learn to be comfortable with each other around food, toys, etc., and see that they don’t have to compete using aggression.
      6. Sephy never got aggressive or jealous of Shania. I think he really likes having her around so that we don’t disturb him as often when he is in his aloof Shiba mode :) I think the important thing is to not favor one dog over the other and make them both follow the same rules. Supervision is also very necessary especially in the beginning so that they start by learning good play habits and interaction habits with each other.

      What breed are you thinking of getting? Sephy tends to overwhelm small dogs with his crazy play style so I deliberately picked a larger breed, that also has the same crazy wrestling play style.

      I also picked a puppy that was more naturally submissive in nature because Sephy does not usually get along with more dominant dogs.

      I first took Shania home for a test-drive week to see if she would get along with Sephy. Most good breeders will let you do that, and most adoption/rescue places will as well.

      I will probably write a post about this – it is a great topic! :)

      9:32 am on March 31st, 2010
    2. Colleen

      How old was Sephy when you got Shania? We would like to have 2 dogs but have so many questions! Both of us has always only had one dog in our families when we were younger so this is completely new territory for us. Reptar is finally out of the expensive vet visit stage and we fully plan to enjoy just him for a while longer but when we do decide to get another pup other than ensuring that the dogs like each other first, what else do we consider?

      Should the dogs have separate crates or should they be in an enclosed space together? How about when we are not home?
      What can we expect from Reptar with a new puppy around? Is he going to revert back from all of the obedience he’s learned thus far?
      Is it likely he will become aggressive because he is used to being “the only child”?

      I really don’t know what other questions to ask to prepare. Any insight and experiences would be greatly appreciated! I looked through your older blog posts to see if you already covered this topic, so I apologize if it is posted and I missed it!

      Thanks!

      12:38 pm on March 30th, 2010
    3. Jo & Cathy, thanks very much for your comments. I agree with the both of you. My Shiba Inu certainly got a lot happier after we got our second dog. Now he gets really depressed whenever she leaves, even if it is just for a short vet visit.

      However, I think that what Jo says is very important – “an appropriate age, breed and temperament”. We should not expect our dogs to like or even get along with “just any” random dog.

      Finally, I probably didn’t describe this properly in my post, but what my trainer suggested is not that dogs don’t like the company of other dogs, but rather that they prefer the company of humans to that of dogs. I think that she is mostly correct, especially for the more domesticated breeds. The more primitive, wild breeds, however, tend to be more aloof, and seem to have less of a need for human attention. My Shiba Inu is more like that. My Sibe, however, loves people much more than other dogs.

      4:21 pm on November 10th, 2008
    4. Jo

      No question that dogs love company and do not enjoy being alone- they are pack animals after all.

      I will not home puppies with anyone that goes to work full time and cannot take their dog with them and I recommend that if they have to leave their dogs for part time work then they have an appropriate age, breed and temperament of dog as a companion. I think that two dogs can be easier to have than one if the above considerations are adhered to.

      Jo

      8:26 am on November 10th, 2008
    5. I think your trainer doesn’t quite understand dogs. They are pack animals and most will prefer their own kind. If they have been around only humans from a very early age, then we become their pack.
      Even with my 4 dogs, who have been brought up with humans and dogs, they adore us and we are part of their pack; BUT there is a very special relationship they have with each other too. I think they would be missing out on something wonderful if they didn’t have each other too.

      7:24 pm on November 9th, 2008

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