Comments on: To Pee or Not to Pee http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee Dog Tips, Care & Training Wed, 23 May 2012 14:06:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: shibashake http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-19035 shibashake Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:59:49 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-19035 <blockquote>the gentleman came out of his business and actually thanked me. it was nice of him and he gave eddie a treat to take home lol a piece of fresh baked bread</blockquote> That is a great story. It is nice when people treat each other with respect, and also show appreciation of each others' efforts.

the gentleman came out of his business and actually thanked me. it was nice of him and he gave eddie a treat to take home lol a piece of fresh baked bread

That is a great story. It is nice when people treat each other with respect, and also show appreciation of each others’ efforts.

]]> By: eddiesmom http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-18926 eddiesmom Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:57:12 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-18926 i love it they wanna leave their calling card too lol. i live in the city so i always say its like he is writting his name eddie was her and her ohoh and here too. lol. we dont have a problem with lawns per say except for my mom lol. we have a back yard but not a front lawn. but side walk lots of side walk i dont mind pee at all hey go ahead buddie pee against my house i dont mind, but i think it is disrespectful when someone does not pick up feces from the side walk. i always pick it up the worst was eddie had the runs one time (too hot)and i picked up what i could and took a baby wipe and wiped the sidewalk after as well. the gentleman came out of his business and actually thanked me. it was nice of him and he gave eddie a treat to take home lol a piece of fresh baked bread hmmm. i love it they wanna leave their calling card too lol. i live in the city so i always say its like he is writting his name eddie was her and her ohoh and here too. lol. we dont have a problem with lawns per say except for my mom lol. we have a back yard but not a front lawn. but side walk lots of side walk i dont mind pee at all hey go ahead buddie pee against my house i dont mind, but i think it is disrespectful when someone does not pick up feces from the side walk. i always pick it up the worst was eddie had the runs one time (too hot)and i picked up what i could and took a baby wipe and wiped the sidewalk after as well. the gentleman came out of his business and actually thanked me. it was nice of him and he gave eddie a treat to take home lol a piece of fresh baked bread hmmm.

]]> By: shibashake http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1382 shibashake Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:23:53 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1382 Thanks James. Always great to meet more dog people. Thanks James. Always great to meet more dog people.

]]> By: James Bower http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1381 James Bower Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:40:41 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1381 Great blog, reading it through RSS feed as well Great blog, reading it through RSS feed as well

]]> By: shibashake http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1307 shibashake Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:42:59 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1307 "while I would not stop my dogs from going where they need to go, I would also never encourage them using someone else’s lawn as a designated restroom." I think that is a very good point and a very important distinction. I also agree with you in terms of cleaning-up after our dogs. Nobody likes poop on their lawn and it is our responsibility to pick up after our own dogs. Poop on the sidewalk is even worse. As for dog urine, what I have read says that it is bad for the grass when there is too much of it. So I think your suggestion of changing where you go makes a lot of sense. I like changing where I walk anyway, because then it is more interesting for me and my dog. I also really like Jennifer's suggestions of - 1. Letting a dog potty first before the walk. 2. Taking a squirt bottle along to dilute the dog urine after the dog pees. I think we are all coming up with a very nice list of things that both dog owners and home owners can do in this matter, which is already helpful to me, and hopefully will be helpful to others as well. “while I would not stop my dogs from going where they need to go, I would also never encourage them using someone else’s lawn as a designated restroom.”

I think that is a very good point and a very important distinction.

I also agree with you in terms of cleaning-up after our dogs. Nobody likes poop on their lawn and it is our responsibility to pick up after our own dogs. Poop on the sidewalk is even worse.

As for dog urine, what I have read says that it is bad for the grass when there is too much of it. So I think your suggestion of changing where you go makes a lot of sense. I like changing where I walk anyway, because then it is more interesting for me and my dog.

I also really like Jennifer’s suggestions of –
1. Letting a dog potty first before the walk.
2. Taking a squirt bottle along to dilute the dog urine after the dog pees.

I think we are all coming up with a very nice list of things that both dog owners and home owners can do in this matter, which is already helpful to me, and hopefully will be helpful to others as well.

]]> By: Will http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1298 Will Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:01:38 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1298 It should not be a big deal if the neighborhood dogs use ANY grass to do their business so long as the owners are responsible enough to clean up after their dogs and vary the locations up a bit. The comment at the beginning of your article (from Most Idiotic People You Meet When Walking Your Dog) sounds justified in that their neighbor deliberately walked their dogs onto the commenter's front yard instead of using their own, which was described as "pristine." I would be upset with that sort of behavior as well, and while I would not stop my dogs from going where they need to go, I would also never encourage them using someone else's lawn as a <I>designated</I> restroom. I suppose I'm lucky in this regard. The city of Tempe has a mandatory "clean up after your pets" law. I change up where we go for walks every couple days and have yet to see an area that was uncleaned. It should not be a big deal if the neighborhood dogs use ANY grass to do their business so long as the owners are responsible enough to clean up after their dogs and vary the locations up a bit.
The comment at the beginning of your article (from Most Idiotic People You Meet When Walking Your Dog) sounds justified in that their neighbor deliberately walked their dogs onto the commenter’s front yard instead of using their own, which was described as “pristine.” I would be upset with that sort of behavior as well, and while I would not stop my dogs from going where they need to go, I would also never encourage them using someone else’s lawn as a designated restroom.
I suppose I’m lucky in this regard. The city of Tempe has a mandatory “clean up after your pets” law. I change up where we go for walks every couple days and have yet to see an area that was uncleaned.

]]> By: shibashake http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1276 shibashake Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:43:00 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1276 Thanks for the invite Mezzobuff. Sounds like a great place and we would certainly love to visit. My girl sends you her love and lots of licks. Our immediate neighborhood is actually very good. We have made friends with most of the people, and it is actually a very fun walk. When we venture farther away, there are more strangers, but we are slowly getting to know them and slowly winning them over. There are one or two who would prefer to shout, so we just quickly pass them by. Can't make friends with everyone, but best not to make any enemies. You make some really great points on the advantages of having dogs around and I definitely agree that dog owners need to be responsible and pick up after their dogs. Thanks for sharing your story with us. Wish there are more people like you around :) Thanks for the invite Mezzobuff. Sounds like a great place and we would certainly love to visit. My girl sends you her love and lots of licks.

Our immediate neighborhood is actually very good. We have made friends with most of the people, and it is actually a very fun walk. When we venture farther away, there are more strangers, but we are slowly getting to know them and slowly winning them over.

There are one or two who would prefer to shout, so we just quickly pass them by. Can’t make friends with everyone, but best not to make any enemies.

You make some really great points on the advantages of having dogs around and I definitely agree that dog owners need to be responsible and pick up after their dogs.

Thanks for sharing your story with us. Wish there are more people like you around :)

]]> By: mezzobuff http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1275 mezzobuff Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:42:16 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1275 I am a dog owner AND a home owner and this is a really touchy subject for sure. I live in Chicago and am part of a community group that has tussles over this issue it seems at every meeting. Owning a home in an area that is primarily apartment dwellers means we get our share of dog walkers that do allow their pets to urinate and/or defecate in our front yard and on the 'greenbelt' on the other side of the sidewalk. There are some who are pretty incensed at the dog owners about the grass thing, others of us sort of roll our eyes. Honestly, when dog owners don't pick up after their pet, it's not so great for us as we try to keep both areas tidy (this doesn't happen too often and certainly not by the responsible pet owners). On the other hand, our household also feels that having dog walkers periodically meandering up and down our street makes our community safer and we have gotten to know by sight (mostly because we remember the dogs) who is actually living in our neighborhood. If we were really concerned about pristine lawn, we would protect it by putting in shrubs or fencing, especially if we were spending a lot of time an energy to keep it that way (of course it won't prevent Calmassertiv's cat from killing some of the migrating birds I feed in the yard, or from her digging in the plants, but that's another story). It is only sensible to protect an investment like that, especially in our hood. For what it's worth, we think it's an even trade-off: so our front lawn might not be the greenest (there are some who might say that having an ultra green, lush lawn is irresponsible: waste of water, pesticides, non-indigenous, etc) but it's certainly a nicer place to live with the dogs around. We all have to live in our little societies, so maybe there needs to be more understanding all around. I certainly agree that we can co-exist in a friendly fashion and sometimes this means making little concessions... If that means pickin' up some dog-poop once in awhile or winking at a brown spot in the name of sharing an idea of community, well then I am willing to do it. So walk around here Shibashake: we won't chase you off! :) I am a dog owner AND a home owner and this is a really touchy subject for sure.
I live in Chicago and am part of a community group that has tussles over this issue it seems at every meeting. Owning a home in an area that is primarily apartment dwellers means we get our share of dog walkers that do allow their pets to urinate and/or defecate in our front yard and on the ‘greenbelt’ on the other side of the sidewalk. There are some who are pretty incensed at the dog owners about the grass thing, others of us sort of roll our eyes.
Honestly, when dog owners don’t pick up after their pet, it’s not so great for us as we try to keep both areas tidy (this doesn’t happen too often and certainly not by the responsible pet owners).
On the other hand, our household also feels that having dog walkers periodically meandering up and down our street makes our community safer and we have gotten to know by sight (mostly because we remember the dogs) who is actually living in our neighborhood.
If we were really concerned about pristine lawn, we would protect it by putting in shrubs or fencing, especially if we were spending a lot of time an energy to keep it that way (of course it won’t prevent Calmassertiv’s cat from killing some of the migrating birds I feed in the yard, or from her digging in the plants, but that’s another story). It is only sensible to protect an investment like that, especially in our hood.
For what it’s worth, we think it’s an even trade-off: so our front lawn might not be the greenest (there are some who might say that having an ultra green, lush lawn is irresponsible: waste of water, pesticides, non-indigenous, etc) but it’s certainly a nicer place to live with the dogs around.
We all have to live in our little societies, so maybe there needs to be more understanding all around. I certainly agree that we can co-exist in a friendly fashion and sometimes this means making little concessions… If that means pickin’ up some dog-poop once in awhile or winking at a brown spot in the name of sharing an idea of community, well then I am willing to do it.
So walk around here Shibashake: we won’t chase you off! :)

]]> By: shibashake http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1269 shibashake Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:33:03 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1269 Hello Calmassertiv, I was wondering where you were. But must you always try to provoke me into an argument with incendiary language? Peace can be better achieved through understanding, and understanding is better achieved through civilized discussion. When there is a disagreement, especially between neighbors, there is really no need to start by taking an extreme position and casting the other guy as the evil diabolical one. That is exactly my point with this article. Dog owners are not out to destroy their neighbors' lawns. Rather than going on the attack, it is much better for everyone to work together and come up with a solution that works well for everyone. However, if you would prefer to carry on an antagonistic relationship with your neighbors then that is certainly your right. I was merely suggesting that there could be an alternate way, and that there are downsides to arguing with neighbors. As to all the other stuff about what a horrible person I am, I honestly do not see where all this came from. If my 3-legged dog needs to rest on the pavement, or on the edge of someone's lawn during a hot day, I will certainly let her do so. If she needs to pee, after drinking water, I will let her do so as well. If somehow that is casting the first stone of evilness - well I suppose the first stone is cast. Most people actually enjoy having us around and many will come out to chat with us or give her attention. She has a pretty winning personality. We always leave when someone asks us to. I was merely suggesting that shouting at us is not necessary as we are not deaf. Both me and my dog can hear quite well. Finally, let me politely suggest that since you consider me to be such a horrible person, perhaps you would have a better time conversing with someone who is not quite so diabolical in nature. Frankly, I do not enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing. Have a nice day and I hope you find others who are more deserving of your attentions. Hello Calmassertiv,
I was wondering where you were. But must you always try to provoke me into an argument with incendiary language? Peace can be better achieved through understanding, and understanding is better achieved through civilized discussion.

When there is a disagreement, especially between neighbors, there is really no need to start by taking an extreme position and casting the other guy as the evil diabolical one. That is exactly my point with this article. Dog owners are not out to destroy their neighbors’ lawns.

Rather than going on the attack, it is much better for everyone to work together and come up with a solution that works well for everyone.

However, if you would prefer to carry on an antagonistic relationship with your neighbors then that is certainly your right. I was merely suggesting that there could be an alternate way, and that there are downsides to arguing with neighbors.

As to all the other stuff about what a horrible person I am, I honestly do not see where all this came from. If my 3-legged dog needs to rest on the pavement, or on the edge of someone’s lawn during a hot day, I will certainly let her do so. If she needs to pee, after drinking water, I will let her do so as well. If somehow that is casting the first stone of evilness – well I suppose the first stone is cast.

Most people actually enjoy having us around and many will come out to chat with us or give her attention. She has a pretty winning personality.

We always leave when someone asks us to. I was merely suggesting that shouting at us is not necessary as we are not deaf. Both me and my dog can hear quite well.

Finally, let me politely suggest that since you consider me to be such a horrible person, perhaps you would have a better time conversing with someone who is not quite so diabolical in nature. Frankly, I do not enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing.

Have a nice day and I hope you find others who are more deserving of your attentions.

]]> By: calmassertiv http://shibashake.com/dog/to-pee-or-not-to-pee#comment-1268 calmassertiv Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:33:22 +0000 http://shibashake.com/shibainublog/?p=516#comment-1268 This is a great example of how seemingly really nice people can be so insensitive to others, and when their inconsiderate behavior elicits a plaintive response to kindly stop the behavior they in turn respond by trying to shift the blame on their victim. If you throw garbage/crap/urine/noise into someone's space you are an initiator of rudeness. When they ask you to stop and you tell them to put up a fence if they don't like it, you are just adding to your rudeness. If they can dilute your pollution with a hose after you leave that is hardly any sort of valid justification for subjecting them to your pollution in the first place. If you blast your stereo in the wee hours outside my window it is nonsense to suggest that I am in any way the bad guy by asking you to turn it off, and you are hardly making things right by telling me to wear earplugs if I don't like it. Dogs are extensions of their owners. If their dogs eat my flowers or cripple my cat or yellow the lawn in which I take great pride then the owner is not a nice person, no matter how they've managed to convince themselves otherwise. You can't walk up my driveway and scratch my car with your keys and then say I should put up a gate and a no-tresspassing sign if I don't like it. Dog owners who don't respect the property rights of others, who say that their dog is just 'being a dog' when they fail to control it, who say that it is their Victim who is generating bad karma in the neighborhood and not Them, these people are either in denial or just deliberately being disrespectful. Either way, if verbal requests for them to stop their (dog's) behavior fall on deaf ears, I have no sympathy for them. Personally, I would try killing patches of Their front yard to see if they get the hint, an eye for an eye, as it were. Like Cesar Millan using physical touch on misbehaving dogs to 'snap them out of it', people in the neighborhood need to make it clear to these self-righteous rationalizers that their transgressions are not appreciated, that their canine graffiti is not the inevitable result of some law of nature, that they should step up and Control Their Dog, that no matter how nice they think they are in their own mind the first stone cast was in fact Theirs, and it won't be tolerated. Peace thru strength. :) This is a great example of how seemingly really nice people can be so insensitive to others, and when their inconsiderate behavior elicits a plaintive response to kindly stop the behavior they in turn respond by trying to shift the blame on their victim.

If you throw garbage/crap/urine/noise into someone’s space you are an initiator of rudeness. When they ask you to stop and you tell them to put up a fence if they don’t like it, you are just adding to your rudeness. If they can dilute your pollution with a hose after you leave that is hardly any sort of valid justification for subjecting them to your pollution in the first place. If you blast your stereo in the wee hours outside my window it is nonsense to suggest that I am in any way the bad guy by asking you to turn it off, and you are hardly making things right by telling me to wear earplugs if I don’t like it.

Dogs are extensions of their owners. If their dogs eat my flowers or cripple my cat or yellow the lawn in which I take great pride then the owner is not a nice person, no matter how they’ve managed to convince themselves otherwise. You can’t walk up my driveway and scratch my car with your keys and then say I should put up a gate and a no-tresspassing sign if I don’t like it.

Dog owners who don’t respect the property rights of others, who say that their dog is just ‘being a dog’ when they fail to control it, who say that it is their Victim who is generating bad karma in the neighborhood and not Them, these people are either in denial or just deliberately being disrespectful. Either way, if verbal requests for them to stop their (dog’s) behavior fall on deaf ears, I have no sympathy for them. Personally, I would try killing patches of Their front yard to see if they get the hint, an eye for an eye, as it were. Like Cesar Millan using physical touch on misbehaving dogs to ‘snap them out of it’, people in the neighborhood need to make it clear to these self-righteous rationalizers that their transgressions are not appreciated, that their canine graffiti is not the inevitable result of some law of nature, that they should step up and Control Their Dog, that no matter how nice they think they are in their own mind the first stone cast was in fact Theirs, and it won’t be tolerated. Peace thru strength. :)

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