I just recently got a husky he’s about ten weeks old I had two questions… First when should I take him off puppy food? Second my vet tells me I doyle only feed him lamb because of the sensitive stomach they havebut blue wilderness salmon, or turkey caught my eye would it be ok to feed him that
Hello Javier,
I usually keep my Sibes on puppy food until they are about 8 months old. My breeder says that she keeps hers on puppy food until they are about 1 year old.
Sibes do have pretty sensitive stomachs. It depends on the individual Sibe what ingredients they may be allergic to. In general, I would stay away from grains such as wheat, corn, and soy. I haven’t used Blue Wilderness myself but I have heard good things about it. Their listed ingredient list also looks good and it is grain free.
Is your puppy currently on the Blue Wilderness puppy food? How is he doing on it?
The Blue Wilderness puppy food mostly contains Chicken and Turkey, so if puppy is doing well on it, I would go with one of those two when switching to the adult formula.
One of my Sibes, Shania, is allergic to salmon. However, each Sibe is different.
3:38 pm on
August 31st, 2011
Javier
He is on regular blue buffalo puppy not wilderness. And I don’t plan on taking him off for a while just my breeder and vet says lamb is the best for them and normally huskies have problems on other meals but blue wilderness doesn’t make a lamb. So I guess but your comment it depends?
Yeah, when it comes to food allergies, each dog is slightly different. Both my Siberians do well on chicken and turkey (Innova EVO), but I know there are dogs who are allergic to poultry.
You could try switching brands, but I think it is better to try out Blue Wilderness first and see how it goes. Solid Gold has a Lamb adult formula, but frankly, I like the Blue Wilderness ingredient list much better.
10:35 am on
September 1st, 2011
Javier
well i don’t know what to do since I got him he has had diarrhea. The very and the breeder say to keep him on lamb but I’m starting to doubt them both because he has been on two different lamb brands and thediarrhea has always been there. The reason I haven’t changed him food is because the very have him some meds for it (which I’m almost done with) but it’s only gotten worse
5:57 pm on
September 2nd, 2011
shibashake
My puppy Lara also had some problems with diarrhea.
One thing that helped with her is switching over to a totally bland diet. In her case, I only gave her boiled/microwave plain chicken and plain white rice. I did that for a few days and the diarrhea stopped. If the dog is allergic to poultry, then a different type of meat can also be used.
Then I slowly reintroduced back her regular food in quarters. e.g. 3/4 bland diet, 1/4 kibble for 3-4 days. If everything is ok, then 1/2,1/2 and so on. This helped me determine what exactly caused her diarrhea, which turned out to be the wet food we were feeding her.
Another thing I discovered that was causing her problems was feeding her too much in a short amount of time. Overfeeding can also cause puppies to get diarrhea.
9:58 pm on
September 2nd, 2011
Leah Moss
I recently purchased a Shiba pup. We will pick her up from the breeder in October. I did some research and found two foods that look pretty good. Buffalo Blue and Solid Gold. Her breeder currently has her on a different brand. What is the ratio of her new food that I should add to the old and how much food each day should she get? I love the site and have gotten so much valuable information. This will be my first Shiba, although I have had many dogs over the years.
Thanks!
7:57 pm on
September 4th, 2011
shibashake
Hello Leah,
I have tried Solid Gold but I have not tried Blue Buffalo. As you say, both have good ingredients.
If I had to choose between the two now I would probably go with Blue Buffalo. This is because the Blue Buffalo brand has better choice and better ingredients in their adult high-protein kibble line (Blue Wilderness). Solid Gold only has Barking at the Moon and that contains generic Ocean fish meal and beef.
What is the ratio of her new food that I should add to the old
I usually do it in quarters. So I start with 1/4 new food, 3/4 old food. I do that for a few days (3-4). If everything is ok, then I do 1/2. 1/2 for another 3-4 days, and then 3/4.1/4.
how much food each day should she get?
I would ask your breeder about that one. I don’t remember exactly how much I gave Sephy but I do remember that what was specified on the kibble bag was a bit much for him. Sephy was really picky about his food and unlike Sibe puppies, he did not like to over-eat.
Congratulations on your October puppy! Remember to take lots of pictures. Shibas really grow up very quickly and I find now that I have so very few pictures of Sephy when he was a puppy.
8:16 pm on
September 5th, 2011
Angela
Hello ShibaShake! Our family got a miniature schnauzer about three months ago and she is now 5 months old. We have quite a bit of trouble leaving her at home because she always senses that we are leaving and would go crazy in her play pen and scream, ignoring the treats we have left in there for her. Does the fact that we always worry for her when we leave her at home alone have anything to do with it? Or are we doing something wrong? We would always leave a light and the TV on when we go out, and a million toys in her pen with her.
My two Siberians are not too anxious when they are left alone but my Shiba Inu, Sephy, used to get really stressed when we left the house. He really likes his routine so anything out of the ordinary causes him a lot of anxiety.
What helped him deal with the situation is to slowly desensitize him to being alone. In the beginning we would just go through the regular ritual of leaving, but then not leave. We kept repeating that many times every day until he became comfortable with it and was no longer reacting. Then we would leave, close the door, and then come back in right away. Once he was good with that, we slowly lengthened the time that we were away.
I started really slow, maybe lengthening the time in minutes so that Sephy could handle the situation. The more positive or non-negative experiences that he had, the more confident he became.
Maturity also helps because as he got older, he also got more confident and established more trust with us. Here are more of my experiences with separation anxiety -
Does the fact that we always worry for her when we leave her at home alone have anything to do with it?
It may. My dogs are very sensitize to what I am feeling so if I am stressed, they get stressed as well. Shiba Inu, Sephy is especially sensitive and high-strung. He will amplify my stress or fears by at least two orders of magnitude.
4:53 pm on
August 27th, 2011
Kyler
Thanks for posting these articles! I’ve really enjoyed reading through them — very helpful.
My wife and I recently (3 weeks ago) adopted/bought a 5.5-month-old Shiba Inu. We were really taken by the breed, heard all the warnings about how they are difficult, gave up the idea for 9 months, but then circled back and gave it a try. We found a family in our area who was selling their pups.
Our dog is named Kitsu and she is not living up to the stereotypes — she’s not dominant, but very FEARFUL of new people and other dogs. She’s come to trust and enjoy the two of us, her new owners, but whenever someone comes over, she runs for cover under the bed, couch, or into her crate, even our friends who come by often. On walks, she tries to escape whenever a passerby gives her any attention (if they totally ignore her, she watches them but mostly keeps moving). Any recommendations on coaxing our shy shiba out of her shell? We try to socialize her to other people and dogs, but it’s hard to tell if we are helping her face her fear or traumatizing her even more.
Related second question: Kitsu will sometimes walk with us very well. But all of the sudden, she’ll resist and wont keep walking. She’ll sit down and force us to drag her (btw, we’ve gotten mixed advice on if pulling her along is good or bad). The best we’ve found to do is pick her up, carry her for a half-block, and then put her down again — most of the time she’ll walk again. But this happens frequently.
Bonus question: We’ve had a new problem the last three days: she’s taken to urinating around our apartment — and only in her “den” spots (her crate, under our bed, and under the couch). Any ideas about this?
Anyway, would love some advice if you have any. Thanks!
My Sibe puppy Lara is also more of a fearful puppy. I think some of it has to do with her age. She is particularly afraid of loud noises and also of people on skateboards and bicycles. The other day, she saw a deer and both deer and Lara ran away in opposite directions.
What has worked with her is to slowly desensitize her to the things that she is most afraid of. For example, with the loud noises I would first find a recording of it on the net. Then, I set aside some training time and play the same sound very softly on my stereo. During this time, I also engage her in obedience commands with rewards. This helps her to focus on me, and also helps her associate the sound with something positive and non-scary.
Desensitization can work in a similar way with meeting new people. One common technique is to use distance. For example, have puppy on leash and ask a new person stand a certain distance away from puppy. Far enough away that puppy is calm and not reacting to the person. Also make sure that the person is totally ignoring the puppy – no talking, and most important of all no eye-contact. Eye contact can sometimes be seen as a threat by our dogs.
When everything is calm and good, get puppy’s attention and reward her for staying calm and attentive. Then walk one step closer and repeat.
This helps to teach puppy to associate new people with something positive. It also trains puppy to focus on us which can come in very handy during times of stress. I always make desensitization sessions short, fun, and very rewarding so that puppy will associate it with very positive feelings.
When puppy is near enough to the new person, we can even have the person throw puppy a treat (still no eye-contact). This further helps the puppy learn that people = good treats.
Kitsu will sometimes walk with us very well. But all of the sudden, she’ll resist and wont keep walking.
Hmmm, this is more difficult to say. It will depend on why Kitsu is stopping. It could be because of fear, or because she wants to rest, or because she wants to smell the air, or because there is something interesting in that spot, etc.
When Lara is afraid during walks she will usually try to run away. When she does that I start talking to her in a calm voice. I keep talking to her calmly and that seems to help her some. I also move away from whatever she is spooked by but in a calm fashion. She usually calms down after a short amount of time and we continue our walk. I also try not to do too much with her in a single walk so that she views it as something positive and fun. The more successful walks she has, the more confident she will become.
With Sephy and Shania they usually stop when they want to look at people and smell the wind. They actually like lying around for pretty long periods of time watching cars, people, and smelling all the interesting scents. I usually let them do this and when it is time to go, I ask them to get up and we go home.
Some trainers may suggest pulling the dog along and making the dog confront his/her fears. This technique is known as flooding. It may work, but it can also be risky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooding_(psychology)
With my dogs I prefer to use desensitization techniques and build confidence through positive experiences.
she’s taken to urinating around our apartment — and only in her “den” spots (her crate, under our bed, and under the couch). Any ideas about this?
It would depend on what actually triggers the urination.
10:40 am on
August 25th, 2011
Suedoo
Hey. Your site is very informative and the articles are very well written as well. I have gotten my first Shiba last Saturday, his name is Ace and he’s 2 months old/. Including Ace, my house now has 3 dogs. One Alaskan Malamute(Rei) and a Japanese Spitz(Husky). Both Rei and Husky are pretty chill dogs who aren’t really interested in play and prefer cuddles but Ace?
Hoo Boy… He’s a crazy little furry shark. Attempts to bite/chew everything and is almost always constantly on the go and up to mischief. I have read several of your articles prior to getting Ace and I thought “Alright! totally ready for this!” I was proven oh so very wrong. He prefers to chew on the furniture and other things rather than his toys most of the time. Also, he makes mistakes around the house and refuses to go on the wee wee pads set up for him in the toilet. He’s also pretty excited when we give him treats and handfeed him though he doesn’t bite the hands rather jumps and scratches us before being given the treat. As for the excitement, I have tried playing with him till he tires out but more often than so, he just loses interest in the toy and starts biting us or anything around him. I have tried saying ouch or yelping and even saying a firm no but he continues the biting and it is starting to leave marks as his teeth are very sharp. I cannot let him socialise with my other 2 dogs because they are pretty wary of him at the moment. Husky is pretty old and doesn’t really accept new dogs and Rei has a pretty low tolerance with dogs(he’s absolutely lovely with people though).
Do you have any advice on the biting, potty training and excitement? So sorry if this has already been addressed in the articles D:
Also, I cannot take him out for walks yet as he has not gotten his final puppy shot at the vets and we plan to start with his obedience training classes next month as we’ll be away for a week from the 31st.
I thought “Alright! totally ready for this!” I was proven oh so very wrong.
Yeah, words, pictures, and videos cannot capture the true pain of the real Shiba experience.
In terms of the biting and excitement what worked best with Shiba Sephy is to stay very calm. When he bites, I do the yelp thing but in a more calm, low-pitched voice. Like your little fur shark, Sephy got excited really easily when he was a puppy and high pitched sounds got him going.
The calm Oww usually startles him for a bit and he stops. At that point I put a toy near his mouth and redirect him to bite on something acceptable.
Sometimes he will redirect, but often he will just continue biting my hands. At that point I non-mark him, Ack-Ack, stand up, fold up my arms, stop playing with him., and ignore him.
But Shibas are usually pretty stubborn so they may continue to try and get attention by biting on clothes or feet. Sephy didn’t do that but he would go over to the bookcases and start chewing on books because he knows that this will get my attention.
At that point I just calmly say time-out and remove him to a boring time-out area (usually the laundry room). He stays in there for about 30 seconds, then I ask him for a simple command (e.g. Sit) before letting him out.
As for potty training, Sephy really does not like going in the house. When he has to go, he will whine and go to the door. If possible, I would train puppy to go outside rather than on puppy pads.
Some puppies, like my Sibe puppies are less picky and they will go wherever. For them, I made sure to always watch them very closely when they are in the house. As soon as it looks like they are about to go potty, I take then outside. If I miss their potty cue and they start to go, I interrupt them and take them outside.
During puppyhood, I would bring Sephy out on-leash to a fixed place in the yard. Then I gave him the go potty command. I usually wait about 10 minutes for him to do his potty and I don’t let him play or roam about during that time. If he does his potty, I would praise him a lot and reward him really well with food and a fun game. In this way he learns that potty outside = lots of praise, rewards, and play.
Thanks for that awesome picture of Ace! Love that expression on his face and those ears!
10:15 am on
August 23rd, 2011
Suedoo
Hi thanks for your advice! Yeah, he is a handful haha. Regarding the time-out thing, I’ was wondering whether to let him out even if he starts screaming and crying during that duration or leave him till he calms down and then let him out? I’ve heard that releasing them while they yelp/scream/cry will teach him to continually use that to get out. He’s very smart and has learned to sit already too (: Ace was also very well behaved for his first time at the vet’s yesterday. He didn’t make a really big fuss about microchipping and nail trimming (much less than my malamute who needs about 4/5 people holding him down for temperature/shots)
We did find out yesterday that he has started attempting to hump and all (I was surprised as he is still very young and my other/previous dogs only did it after a year old. They eventually stopped when we refused to play and ignore them but Ace us very persistent ). Any advice on that? since you did mention that Sephy had the same problem too.
I also notice that you have quite a collection of toys that use/contain food. Does this affect Sephy/your other dogs’ meal times? or do you use it as a substitute for dog bowls?
Taking care of Ace is actually quite a different experience for me compared to training my other dogs as they are usually compliant and are pretty much manageable.
As for potty training, I’m now taking him up to the garden on my roof (we didn’t have enough space for a backyard and my parents were afraid that the other two dogs would soil it) every now and then for potty and some outdoor space. Is this advisable or should I just use the garden for potty? He won’t be going outside to parks and the sort till he gets his jab for parvo and distemper in 2 weeks time.
Thanks for your help (:
7:35 pm on
August 23rd, 2011
Suedoo
Sorry to add in, but he also does bite his leash. I was thinking of playing the “Find-It” game as suggested. Is the objective of the game ultimately to focus on the treat and not the leash and does it effectively stop leash biting?
I’ was wondering whether to let him out even if he starts screaming and crying during that duration or leave him till he calms down and then let him out?
Yeah they are very smart and as you say, will learn to use their patented Shiba Scream to get out if they can. I usually don’t let Sephy out until he has calmed down and is not whining. In the beginning, I waited for a very brief pause in his whining and then asked for a sit. As he got older, I slowly lengthened his necessary quiet time.
Ace was also very well behaved for his first time at the vet’s yesterday.
Wow that is really impressive! I wish Sephy was better at the vet. He is very sensitive to pain and is very fearful of vet visits.
I am not a big fan of humping so if Sephy does that to people he goes immediately to timeout. Nowadays, he doesn’t do that to people anymore but he will sometimes try to hump the other dogs during play. I stop that as well and if he keeps trying to hump, he goes to timeout and loses out on the play session.
Does this affect Sephy/your other dogs’ meal times? or do you use it as a substitute for dog bowls?
Yeah, all the dogs have to work for their food. They get some of their food from doing commands, some from Find-It, and some from interactive toys. I think they enjoy working for their food and it helps to give them some mental exercise. It also makes them eat more slowly which is better for their digestion.
I supervise them very closely during meal-times to make sure there is no stealing.
As for potty training, it sounds like you are doing the right thing. I think it is easier to teach a puppy to go somewhere outside the house because then it is clear that in the house there is no potty whatsoever. However, dogs can also be trained to go on potty pads, in the same way that we train them to go outside. It may just take a bit more supervision and repetition because they may not know initially whether it is ok to potty in a particular room, or whether it is just in the corners of rooms, or whether it is only on the puppy pads.
For leash biting, it depends to some degree on why the dog is showing that behavior.
With many dogs, especially a puppy, it may simply be a play behavior.
In Sephy’s case though, he was mostly leash biting out of frustration. For example, he used to be very reactive to dogs and would sometimes go into a crazy leash biting dance when he did not get to go over to meet them. In these instances, it was a lot more effective to just quickly remove him from the area and take him home. If he continued to leash bite, he goes to timeout.
I have my first Sheba and as a former dog trainer, I definitely feel like she is much more difficult than any other breed. But SO smart! She is six months old and rings the bell when she needs to go out (though she is starting to do the multi-times out and I’ve been using time out for that, I plan to modify her outside visits to limit her movement as suggested above, but she definitely knows “go potty” command lol). she watched my daughter’s Yorkie Pinm Einstein, and learned how to go “up” (sitting on her butt and raising front up for treat) on her own and now does it on command. I’m amazed by her intelligence every day and surprised how she now likes to lay not just near me but often touching me while she sleeps (one night she even came up and butted her forehead against mine and slept that way). I look forward to your page for insight in the future!
Yeah Shibas are very smart – and not just book smart, they are also extremely street smart. Sephy is very good at figuring out all of my buttons and he knows which one to push to get what he wants.
He can sometimes be a big pain in the ass, but he makes up for it by doing really funny and surprising things that make everyone laugh.
Congratulations on your Shiba puppy and big hugs!
9:42 am on
August 23rd, 2011
Elias
Hi I have a Shiba Inu puppy her name is Akira she is going to be a year in november. She is unique in the sense that she still retains some of her black mask and has black eyebrows where the white should be. Anyway the problem I’m having with her is the biting and getting her to do her commands. She did not give me trouble and people even were astonished at her temprement so much that they said that she could not be a Shiba Inu. We took her to training as soon as she was a week old. I had a life threatening situation where I was in the hospital for 3 days and I was in the hospital so I left he with my sister and her kids. She is very close to me and is still close to me and will come lay down with me if I take a nap but ever since I got back it has been like something snapped in her. Whenever the doorbell rings now she gets anxious and howls and when anyone comes in the door she jumps on them and bites them in play. At first when we played with her before the incident she did not bite but squeezed but now she is biting. She does not listen to me sometimes when I call her and now she seems like she has made it her mission to get into anything she can get her mouth on. Akira’s favorite pastime is to tear paper and she seems to do it just to spite me. I read that she just wants attention and not to give it to her but none of the methods that I learned from her training class seems to work. When she bites I do the ack and turn away but instead of calming down and turning away she either goes around or bites on the back of the leg. It’s to the point now that she’s becoming destructive biting up paper and on chair legs. She will be a year in November will it be to late to change her behavior? I use her crate as her time-out zone and she knows the word Kennel which is her time-out zone and usually gets her to stop what she is doing. Is this a just wait it out thing or do I need to take furthur measures to get her to stop biting and jumping because the ack isn’t really working and I’m tired of her jumping on my friends and family members. She is almost never alone and when she is she is alone for 3 hours tuesday and thursday because those days I am in school. I try not to reward her bad behavior with attention but she finds a diffrent angle on how to bite or get hold of something she isn’t supposed to have.
Hello Elias,
Shiba Sephy is very similar in that he really likes his routine. He is also very sensitive to the energy of the people around him. So big changes in his environment cause a lot of stress for him.
As for the biting, timeouts work really well with Shiba Sephy because he really values his freedom. If Sephy does not respond to the yelp, I stand up, fold up my arms, and turn away from him. If he continues to bite, I calmly say timeout and take him directly to timeout.
In general, it is best not to use a crate as the timeout area because we want the dog to view the crate as something positive. This makes it easier to crate puppy when she is sleeping or home alone. I use the laundry room as my timeout area for Sephy and make sure there is nothing in there that he can chew, eat, or would be dangerous to him.
Another thing I did with Sephy when he was young was take him to the SPCA to play with other friendly dogs there (under supervision). He really needed a fair amount of off-leash time and I didn’t have a backyard then, so the SPCA play sessions really helped a lot.
A tired Shiba is a good Shiba.
Hugs to Akira. Let us know how it goes.
7:51 am on
August 19th, 2011
Claudia
I totally stumbled upon your site, but loved reading some of your articles. I have a 4 yr old male Shiba named Suntori. He’s his own man. And just like your article, he comes around when he wants something, but is usually lounging around on his bed, or snout out under the sofa.
I have always wanted a German Shepherd,Lab, Husky, Golden Retriever, or Samoyed a dog a bit more loving and affectionate, just to give things a bit of a balance. I am in the process of researching what is the best fit for us but my main concern is Suntori. He doesn’t really care to socialize with other dogs and just like you said somewhere, as far as he’s concerned, he’s royalty.
I really want another dog and am really interested to see how you invited your new dog into your home and how your Shiba responded. Any words on which of the breeds I mentioned would be best? I do like a spitz, but that is not my sole deal maker/breaker.
Thanks and I look forward to reading more of your articles.
I really want another dog and am really interested to see how you invited your new dog into your home and how your Shiba responded.
My Shiba Inu Sephy does not trust very easily. He was pretty stand-offish when we brought puppy Lara home. He did not want puppy messing with him, sniffing his butt, and he did not play with puppy. He did sniff her, examine her, and then he kept his distance.
During the first week I made sure to supervise them very closely so that puppy does not bother Sephy and so that they did not have any negative experiences together.
I also made sure that they had many positive experiences. I had many short training sessions with puppy and during this time, Sephy would come over to beg for food. I made sure to praise and reward both dogs really well when they were calm and peaceful together. After a bit, Sephy would always come over whenever I started training sessions with puppy.
It is also very important to be fair and consistent with all the dogs. Puppy has to follow the same rules as the other dogs. In fact, puppy has more rules.
It took about 1 week before Sephy warmed up to puppy Lara. Once he included Lara into his circle of trust though, he became very tolerant of her and lets her sniff, jump over him, step on him, etc. Still, I supervise them so that Lara doesn’t bother Sephy too much and overly stress his patience.
NOTE: Sorry for repost. I just noticed that my previous message was posted as a reply to my own comment so I didn’t know if it would be noticed by anyone down there.
Her name is Kumiko (Kumi for short)and so far she has brought the expected mix of terror and delight. Certainly a full blown Shiba scream is something that needs to be experienced to be appreciated.
This is our first day leaving Kumi at home while we both work. We’ve kept her confined to the hallway by closing all the doors, but I’m still paranoid that she’ll have found a way to destroy everything or summon the police by screaming.
We have a crate and a decently sized exercise pen for her for longer term confinement. However she seems to absolutely hate these two things and will start screaming and crying within two minutes of being placed in one of them. Obviously this is not ideal. We’d like to be able to leave our Kumi unattended for a few hours without here sounding the alarm constantly.
Does anyone have any tips about how to get her acclimated to being confined to her crate or pen?
Also, often she whines to be taken outside to do her business, but when I get her out there she just meanders about eating grass and sometimes just sitting in the grass without doing anything. Then when I take her back inside she’ll start whining again and if you ignore it she’ll just go poop in the corner somewhere. It’s a bit frustrating to take her out 3 times in an hour only to have her poop in the house!
Congratulations on your new Shiba puppy! Thanks for sharing all your great pictures – Kumi looks absolutely adorable!
In terms of crating, what seems to have worked pretty well for my Sibe puppy is to go very slowly. Currently, she is tethered with a very short lead to the crate at night. She will sometimes go in there to sleep but the door is open so she can come out for a short distance if she wants to. Initially we put her on a longer tether and we have slowly shortened it as she slowly gets used to her routine.
Another possibility, is to train puppy to go in there for very short periods of time initially and then slowly lengthen the time. For example, the first few days, give the crate command, throw a treat in, puppy goes in, Good!, treat, and let puppy out again. Don’t even close the door. Then once puppy is comfortable doing that, close the door and then open it back right away, and so on.
In terms of the potty, what I did with Sephy (when he was a puppy) is always bring him out on lead. I take him to his potty spot and say “go potty”. Then I wait for a few minutes. In that time I do not let him go exploring etc. – which is where the lead comes in very handy. If he does go potty, then I praise him a lot, reward him really well, and then he gets to go off-leash and explore in the backyard. We also play some fun games. If he does not go potty, then we come back in.
Usually, I have a black-out period after we come in, where I don’t take him out even if he whines. But I do watch him for potty signals. If I see him heading to the corner (that is usually his tell that he is about to go potty) then I take him out and repeat the process above.
In this way, he does not get rewarded for whining because he doesn’t get to go exploring when we first go outside. However, if he actually does his potty, then he gets rewarded really well.
There are many Shiba veterans there with a lot of good information. Let us know how it goes!
10:02 am on
August 3rd, 2011
Amy
Hello!
I adopted two girl dogs a year ago, a Pomeranian (Bella, 6 years) and a Pug X fox terrier (Tricky, 3 years) and I had them de-sexed about 2 months ago. They have begun fighting since then. They used to be best friends and now fight at least once every day over attention or food.
Do you know what may be causing this or do you have any advice on how to handle it?
After neutering or any kind of surgery, my Shiba Inu just wants to be left alone. I make sure to keep my other dogs away from him until he feels better.
My Siberians (2 girls, both spayed) seem to handle surgeries better and are in a better mood.
I have not experienced what you describe before so I am not sure of the cause. My best guess is that one or both were in pain or in some discomfort after the surgery, and that may have triggered something.
In cases of aggression, it is usually best to get help from a professional trainer. A professional trainer will be able to observe the dogs in real-time and identify exactly what is triggering the aggression. This helps us focus in on the right trigger and the right treatment. Since no two dogs are the same, visits with some professional trainers really helped me out a lot when I was having aggression issues with my Shiba Inu.
When you teach your dogs commands, how do you come up with the method for teaching them? For example, google searches, books, videos, trainers, etc. I am trying to find new commands to teach Marcus so he doesn’t get bored. Also so I don’t get bored repeating the same few commands over and over and over, haha.
Also, your advice is doing wonders. Marcus now knows to follow silently and plops down in the bathroom corner when I say time-out. Definitely less furniture chewing incidents (still working on leash as a chew toy)!!
Hey Alice,
I am so glad to hear that things are improving with Marcus. He sounds like a really fun and awesome puppy.
When you teach your dogs commands, how do you come up with the method for teaching them?
I usually try to break the command down into little small steps and then use hand targeting to achieve each step. Sometimes I use shaping (waiting for the dog to offer behaviors that I want), but that requires a lot more patience.
The other thing that I do is carefully observe them, and see what action and stimulus trigger certain behaviors. For example, my Sibe Shania sings whenever I squeak a toy. So to train her the “Sing” command, I first start with the squeaky toy together with a hand gesture, then I move on to just the hand gesture tied to a verbal command, then I try it with just the verbal.
Big hugs to Marcus. Let us know what works best for you in terms of teaching him new commands.
1:39 pm on
July 22nd, 2011
Tyler
Hi, I’m going to be getting a Shiba in a few weeks and have found your blog to be an extremely valuable resource and has given me plenty to read.
I just have one simple question.
Is your dog, Sephy, by any chance named after Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII?
Is your dog, Sephy, by any chance named after Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII?
Absolutely! I am a big fan of the FF series.
Congratulations on your upcoming Shiba puppy. Share some puppy pictures with us when you get him.
2:57 pm on
July 10th, 2011
Alice
Ahahahahaaa, that is great. Not Red XIII though? Haha.
Pretty much read your entire website and I am obsessed with it. Looking forward to more updates!!
10:52 am on
July 19th, 2011
shibashake
Not Red XIII though?
LOL! I decided to name him based on temperament rather than based on looks.
1:42 pm on
July 22nd, 2011
D'Andra Clark
Does anyone notice their Shiba is neurotic about their tails or is it just my dog? If a fly lands on her back or tail she’ll literally go into a tail spin seeing if it’s still there minutes later. Sometimes she sprints to her bed or couch and lays down like she’s been punished.
Sephy used to be very neurotic about his tail and actually about his entire posterior region. We started handling him a lot in the back areas and tying that to rewards. That has helped him get more comfortable with unexpected touches or insects on his tail.
He is still pretty neurotic about flies though. If one gets in the house he will not rest until the fly is dead.
4:03 pm on
July 7th, 2011
Michael
Hi ShibaShake! Thanks for responding, I’m putting another ‘question’ up as I can’t reply to yours for some reason.
Anywho, about my two other dogs. They are literally just hams. They love to be loved and they like to snuggle and just be touched.
The Papillon is an extremely calm dog, only barks when the front door is opened, and the Poodle I sometimes forget is there. He’s that quiet.
After a few days with Max (We’re seriously thinking about calling him Taz now). I’ve discovered that he does the shriek when I pull at his collar when he’s under the table/goes somewhere he doesn’t want to go. He shrieks when I have his food taken away as well.
In a day it seems he’s learned that when I say “no” to him eating at the other dog’s bowl (They like to share), he understands. But he keeps running away to under the table. And when I try to get him out of the table, the Scream commences.
So I put him in time-out, which is at the patio of our apartment. I don’t know how long it appropriate for a Shiba to be put in time out, but I find that I keep him out there from 15-20 minutes on average. When he comes inside. He’s sweet. Until he goes under the table and I have to pull him out and then he screams all over again.
Then I have to put him in time-out it seems for shrieking like that.
It’s a cycle that I don’t know how to fix! With me alone, and with my girlfriend, he’s great. He’s loving. He likes to (for some reason) sit under my legs whenever I’m standing/sitting in a chair and he likes to be touched.
But is the shrieking something that I can mitigate, is it something I can show Max that I don’t appreciate it and like it?
We’re seriously thinking about calling him Taz now
LOL – I like that name. It would suit a Shiba very well.
He’s sweet. Until he goes under the table and I have to pull him out and then he screams all over again.
The under the table thing sounds like he is hiding rather than anything else. I would carefully observe what are all the triggers that cause him to run under the table – is it when there are loud noises? when the other dogs stare at him? when voices are raised? Then he can be slowly desensitized to that trigger so that he no longer sees it as something scary that he needs to run away from.
Also, what happens if you just leave him under the table? If it is a fear response, going in after him may trigger even more fear, which causes the screaming, etc. In general, I have found that it is most effective to deal with the root of the issue – which is what is triggering the run-under-table behavior in the first place.
11:18 am on
June 21st, 2011
Michelle W
Hi, ShibaShake.
My fiancee and I just got a Shiba Inu 2 days ago. Neither of us had read about the Shiba, and its various characteristics (trust me, I wish I had). It’s only Day 2, and I’m so stressed out. I’ve never owned any kind of pets before. Luckily, our work schedule works out fine, and the Shiba is alone during the day for 3 hours, 3 days of the week. Yesterday, while I was driving to work, I wanted to turn back around and just stay home with her lol.
I guess I have a few questions. What’s your method for when she does something bad? (Like biting, which she does mostly in the mornings) Right now I’m starting to say “No!” sternly and grabbing her face so she looks at me when she does it (my fiancee says to grab her by the back of the neck.. what would you suggest). I’m trying not to smack her.
Also, we live in an apartment on the second floor, and when we take her out to potty, she will not go up or down the stairs (she’s 12 weeks old). At what age should I start trying to get her to go up and down the stairs?
And what’s your opinion on the Bark Off?
Thank you so much. Of course, I haven’t gotten much sleep the past 2 nights, and I read in one of your articles that that’ll happen for the next couple weeks. Right now, my fiancee lays down on the floor next to her crate when she’s fussy till she calms down a bit.
Well, I’m not Shiba Shake of course, but I just wanted to comment. I can’t say I’m an experienced Shiba owner yet, I just put a deposit toward a 2 wk old shiba female though…after MASSIVE amounts of research and interviewing shiba owners via email. If you haven’t started on that, trust me you will want to now because there is a LOT to know. Until I did my own research I had no idea how different shibas are from most other breeds, caring for them is -very specific-. The good thing is your puppy is young so you can apply what you learn right away. Just some things I was able to gather: most websites will tell you they are headstrong and difficult to train, so be aware of that. You have to be consistant with your training, and establish your dominance. They also need to be socialized with other dogs and humans at an early age, as well as leash trained. Like I said though, I’m not personally experienced since my puppy hasn’t arrived yet but you definitely need to start reading -everything- you can about shibas now. It will help a lot in reducing your stress, I’m sure. Also, everywhere I’ve read says that if you give the puppy an article of clothing of yours to sleep with (anything that smells like you) your scent will soothe them and make them feel more comfortable when they are alone in their crate. One last tip I read: a gentle dominance training trick to use on puppies is holding them in cradled in your arms like you would a baby. They will struggle and whine, but don’t set them down until they have relaxed and given in to being held…this shows them your dominance (or so I read…sounds logical to me though.) Good luck and hope things go well for you!
2:18 pm on
June 16th, 2011
Michelle W
Yeah, my fiance read about the holding them like a baby thing too.
I read that you don’t wanna put any blankets or clothes in the crate when they’re too young cause that’ll encourage them to eliminate in the crate. Who knows. My fiance and I are both learning. It’s only been two days, but we swear, she’s already gotten a little bigger.
Good luck with your Shiba when you get it! They are so adorable! (Especially when they’re playing with their toys or sleeping next to you)
Keep me posted when you get your Shiba! My email is mishu09 at the site hotmail -dot- com.
** From ShibaShake – Michelle, I edited the email so that it can’t be extracted by web scrappers. In general, it is best not to post your email in a public page. If you want your email totally removed, let me know.
8:31 am on
June 17th, 2011
shibashake
Hello Michelle,
Congratulations on your new Shiba puppy!
What’s your method for when she does something bad?
When I first got puppy Lara the first two things I taught her were a mark (Yes or Good Girl) and a non-mark (No or Ack-Ack). A mark indicates to her that she is doing something good and it usually followed by a reward. A non-mark indicates to her that she is doing something not-good and is usually followed by an alternate command (and a reward), or a “punishment” which usually means she loses one of her freedoms or does not get something that she really wants.
For biting, I have found that bite inhibition training is very useful for my dogs. Bite inhibition training teaches the dog to have a soft mouth when it comes to people. This is great because even if an accident occurs, and the dog bites on a person, it will likely not cause much if any harm. I mostly do bite inhibition training through hand-feeding.
Sometimes a Shiba can be stubborn though and will not stop biting even after I non-mark and redirect him. In these cases a time-out works best for Shiba Sephy.
Once I have good bite inhibition then I switch to a No-Bite policy, but I still keep up with hand-feeding.
In terms of physical forms of discipline, I tried that with Shiba Sephy when he was young and that did not work out well for us at all. This is the story of my early days with Shiba Sephy - http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Shiba-Inu-Sephy-and-Me
We had a lot of challenges, but things worked out in the end.
At what age should I start trying to get her to go up and down the stairs?
With puppy Lara she started going up stairs first. I think that is easier and less scary for them. It was something that I just let her do by herself and when she was ready, she just did it. She probably started doing that after being with us for a couple of weeks – but that would depend on the puppy. It took another couple of more weeks before she tried going down stairs.
I did sometimes play games with her on the stairs – just going up one or two steps with a toy and she would come after me to get it. While playing, she is focused on doing something else, so she doesn’t think about how scary the stairs are.
And what’s your opinion on the Bark Off?
I have never used Bark Off before. From reading the reviews though, it seems that this method of sound aversion is not very effective with many dogs. Shibas are usually more stubborn than most breeds so I am not sure how well this would work.
Another sound aversion training technique that I did try on Sephy when he was a puppy is to put a bunch of coins in a soda can, tape up the open tab, and then shake the can. Sephy definitely did not like that sound and it worked for more minor types of rule breaking.
However, for more serious things I use a time-out which has been the most effective thing for Shiba Sephy. It also worked very well on Siberian puppy Lara. I only do that for serious things though, like continued biting, leash biting and humping.
a gentle dominance training trick to use on puppies is holding them in cradled in your arms like you would a baby.
It can definitely work on many dogs, but I think the most important thing is to be flexible and tailor the techniques to suit the individual dog and their own unique personality.
For example, I have seen many people do the baby-cradling move very effectively with their dogs. On Sephy however, it did not work out well. When my other half tried to do that to him, he just got really fearful and had to get away no matter what. Holding a dog like that is taking away his freedom to run away and at the same time putting him in a very vulnerable position (with his belly exposed). If I stranger did that to me – I would be freaking out too.
When Sephy was forced to stay in that position until he was calm, he got so scared that he pooped all over the place.
This taught me to always listen to Sephy and to be flexible about the training techniques that I use.
10:43 am on
June 17th, 2011
Michael
Hi Shib.
First, I want to say that your blog is simply astounding. You’re a fountain of knowledge and help.
My problem:
I’ve wanted a Shiba since I was a younger boy playing Nintendogs. I saw the wolf-esque looking animal and since then have fell in love with the breed.
I posted an ad on Criagslist saying that I was looking for a Shiba to either buy, or rehome. I was hoping for a female, but instead I got an e-mail saying that a couple was offering a male. The Shiba (Who is named Max, apparently) was just ‘dropped’ on them by a family member and they couldn’t keep it because the girl was allergic to him.
I saw him, and he’s a great guy. He works really well with people it seems and is pretty nice when it comes to us.
However, when any of our other two dogs gets near his toys, or a place that he’s ate, he starts to growl at a worrying rate. I had put food in my papillons bowl to feed him, and Max went in for himself. I tried to take the food away from Max and he started to bare his teeth and growl.
When we brought him home, he immediately ran under a table. I tried to get him out, but he started to make this high pitch shrieking noise (Which I think is what is called the “Shiba Scream”), and I have NO idea how to respond to it.
Was it a mistaking taking in a Shiba under the conditions that we have two other dogs (soon to be one other, my mother is taking our poodle), or should I keep trying?
And if so, could you help in *anyway* possible, with some tips, tricks, some way to establish *myself* as the pack leader?
You’d be saving myself so much time, and heartache. Thank you!
-Michael
(P.S., do male dogs just gravitate towards women more, or is that something that’s a myth?)
Sounds like Max has some resource guarding and food aggression issues. These issues usually arise because every time someone or another dog comes near them, they get their stuff stolen from them – so they feel that they must start guarding. Shibas have a pretty high protection drive, so they are also more likely to guard than the average breed.
I would also consider going to see a professional trainer about it. Food aggression issues can be dangerous to people, so it is best to start off on the right foot.
When we brought him home, he immediately ran under a table. I tried to get him out, but he started to make this high pitch shrieking noise
LOL, yeah Shibas do the Shiba Scream when they find themselves in a situation that is really not to their liking. Shiba Sephy used to do that with my dog walker when she tried to force him to walk in a heel position.
The running under the table thing sounds like he is just unsure about his new surroundings. Shiba Sephy actually did that at the breeder’s house when we tried to put a collar on him.
The way I deal with the Shiba Scream depends on why Shiba is doing it. For things that he is fearful about (e.g. running under the table because of the collar), I make sure to desensitize him to it when we are home, in a quiet place, and when I have a good amount of time for training.
If Sephy is just whining or screaming because he wants something, like for me to open the door for him then I totally ignore him until he stops and is calm. Once he shows the behavior that I want, then I open the door for him.
If he is outside and whining then he loses his outside freedom and has to come in the house. If he continues to scream he either just gets ignored or he gets put in time-out.
I have found that with the Shiba Scream, the worst thing to do is to give Shiba a strong reaction because that is what Shiba is usually looking for. However, if he gets no reaction or just a calm time-out, then it is no fun for Shiba and he will stop and try something else.
Was it a mistake taking in a Shiba under the conditions that we have two other dogs
That is very difficult to say. It would depend on the temperaments of the dogs, the people, the amount of time, etc. It certainly does sound like a challenge though. It would of course be much easier to get a dog that does not already have food aggression and guarding issues.
do male dogs just gravitate towards women more, or is that something that’s a myth?
Heh, not in my experience. I think dogs gravitate towards the people who spend the most time with them, and give them the most resources (food, play, etc.). Actually there was a study that indicated that both wolves and dogs can pick out people who are in a more attentive state and these are the people they will beg from.
They showed, for the first time that wolves, like domestic dogs, are capable of begging successfully for food by approaching the attentive human. This demonstrates that both species — domesticated and non-domesticated — have the capacity to behave in accordance with a human’s attentional state. In addition, both wolves and pet dogs were able to rapidly improve their performance with practice.
~~[ Science Daily ]
10:27 am on
June 17th, 2011
Cynthia
Hi ShibaShake…Shiba Sasha and I have been having some issues when I have guests over. She just had her first birthday and has been maturing along nicely, training is an on I going process, some days she is an obedient angel…others a stubborn shiba head. but I have been lucky and never dealt with any major “bad dog” issues…until I have friends stay over and give them more attention than I give Sasha. The first time was during a friends wedding back in Feb…we had several people staying with us, Sasha enjoys the company, loves to play with everyone, but when we were in and out of the house often, we would arrive to something torn up inside…which is something she NEVER does, that time it was a leather belt….torn to shreds. She immediately hid under the bed upon our discovery of it although I did not yell or scold her…I assume since dogs live in the moment this wouldn’t be productive…is this correct?
This past weekend our best friends have been staying with us, Sasha is perfectly lovely while we are all here, no whining or barking, she seems content just happy to watch everyone and eager to get some attention and chase a few balls every now and then. But as soon as we leave and return back we have been finding an item in the same spot in the very middle of the living room floor completely destroyed…day one-the novel “girl with a dragon tattoo”..completely shredded, day two-a straw sushi mat shredded, day three-black ink pen, four-a coupon for golf…all completely random and arbitrary items..not things she “likes” to mess with like tissues or tennis shoes both of which were readily available…we always have tons of shoes out, she hasn’t touched them..I dont know whether to just ignore the behavior, put her in a crate when we have guests over and we leave the house, or punish her when she tears stuff up. It really seems as if she is jealous of her parents doting on anyone else beside her and is acting out when she is alone…I dont want to give human attributes to a non human situation though. What is your opinion and what do you think the best solution would be?? We dont have guests over very often but she loves our friends that we visit often and she really is very friendly with new people and remembers those she has met before clearly. Sorry for such a long post, thanks for your time!!!
Cynthia and Sasha boo
Hello Cynthia,
Based on your description it sounds like it could be from stress or anxiety.
From observing Shiba Sephy, he gets stressed whenever there are any changes in his routine. He also thinks of himself as the caretaker of everyone in the house, so when people are missing (not according to schedule) he can get stressed.
When Sephy gets stressed he often tries to relieve his stress by chewing on things. While we were going through Shania’s surgeries, there were big changes to our routine, and during that time Sephy chewed up a lot of things – including some headphones. Luckily he isn’t really interested in eating the stuff.
Once we were done with that, Sephy settled back down.
The common way for dealing with such anxiety issues is to desensitize Shiba to them. For example, Sephy used to also get stressed when we went grocery shopping during the weekends. To get him over that, we would sometimes both leave the house during the weekends, but only for very short periods of time. We started with just a few minutes – step out, step back in.
Then we slowly lengthened the time.
Your scenario is a bit higher level than that since it also involves having people over. But perhaps desensitizing her to having nobody in the house outside of her routine would be of some help.
As you say, putting her in her crate is another possibility, but if she gets too stressed she may try to break out of her crate and hurt herself. I would first try it for shorter durations and see how she does.
Another possibility is to get a dog walker to take her out during those times, or do a short daycare session.
I love your website is has so much great advice about the shiba inu’s. I was walking today in the pack when I fell in love with a dog went to the owner and asked few questions about him that’s when he told me its a japanese breed called shiba inu, he gave me the breeders number and everything but I have never owned a pet before and I am more of a cat person than a dog but from what he told me that they behave similar to cats. From reading your website its seems to be a challenge to train and maintain a shiba inu this is my very first time what advice do you have for me what should I where and where do I start? Thank you very much I appreciate all your help!
I got a Shiba as my first dog and it was definitely a big challenge for me. It is doable – but will require more time and effort than many other breeds. Also, unlike most other dogs, Shibas tend to be a lot more aloof (this is one of their more cat-like characteristics.)
Shibas also have pretty high prey drive, so they have to be trained to get along with house cats.
Looking back, I think I would have started with a different breed and then get the Shiba as a second dog. In this way, I would already know a lot of the general dog stuff from my first dog, and can focus on the Shiba specific stuff with my second dog.
However, I am also a big believer in getting the dog that we want most. Dogs are a lot of work, a lot of money, and can sometimes be a big pain in the ass, so it is important not to have any regrets over the look, breed, and temperament of the dog that we choose to share our lives with.
If you are interested in getting a Shiba Inu, check out the breeder list on the National Shiba Club of America - http://www.shibas.org/breeders.html
Hello Doug,
I love looking at Shiba pictures so please feel free to post a link or send a photo to me. However, I would only be guessing as to his breed. You would probably know better than me because you have first hand knowledge of his temperament and quirks.
A more accurate way of identifying a dog’s breed is to do DNA testing. There are now a variety of places that offer dog DNA testing and they range in price from about $50-$100.
9:42 am on
June 3rd, 2011
Nicole
Could you tell me the name of the surgeon for your Siberian Husky? I have a bulldog pup with the same condition. Did you surgeon say that a prosthetic might be an option?
At the time, we were trying to save Shania’s leg by slowly realigning her bones. Even though it was still an experimental procedure, the surgeon was optimistic and gave it an 80% chance of success. My own research into similar procedures also showed promise. In the end, it did not work out. We ended up being in the 20% group.
They have probably made more advances now, so I would definitely consult your vet about it.
Given Shania’s age and activity level, we decided not to go with prosthetics.
Of course, a harnass. Why didn’t I think of that? I think I have one in the house I can use (it was for an old dog of ours when he was a puppy and might be just the right size for a half grown Shiba).
I’m not super worried about getting it on him. We handle Kiba a lot and I think he’s used to the indignanty of me poking and proding him however I want without regard to his pride. He’s still okay with others picking him up and poking him too (neighborhood kids, the vet, etc).
Now, if we could just un-teach him how to climb the stairs…
We’ve just started walking Kiba in the neighborhood (vaccinations are FINALLY done). Whew.
So, my problem is leash pulling. He doesn’t try to bite it at all yet, and he will sit to put the leash on and sit to go outside – but once we’re walking, he pulls so hard he chokes himself and starts to wheeze.
I’ve tried pulling the other way, trying to get him to sit, etc, to no affect. He’s not pulling towards an object, he just wants to run instead of walk. If I jog, he’s content to stay beside me. He doesn’t see a connection between pulling and going home, so that isn’t working either.
Funny thing is – we sat outside on the lawn after our walk last night so my son could play with other kids in the neighborhood. Kiba sat quietly and let all the kids pet him and meet him, then lounged on the grass while they ran around and played (didn’t try to chase, showed no interest in pulling his leash). Apparently, this is a walk only behavior.
Hello Andrea,
When Sephy was young, I used a harness instead of a collar. He also pulled really hard and the harness kept him from choking himself. The only thing with the harness is that after a bit Shiba may not want to put it on. So it is important to desensitize Shiba to it and make it into a positive experience. Other than that, it is great for leash training a small dog.
In terms of the pulling, Sephy was very stubborn so it took a while before he gave up the ghost. What worked best for Sephy is to give him no attention whatsoever – no talking or looking. He pulls, I just stop and ignore him. I only took him out on short walks, but I did it frequently.
I’m in a bit of a dilemma. I love Shiba Inu’s and have wanted one for a few years and a few weeks ago I found one on craiglist for only $600 and she’s 8-9 months old with the most interesting markings I have ever seen on a Shiba Inu, so I was ecstatic and asked my mom if she could call Inuki’s (the Shiba Inu) owner and see if we could meet her. So we met her a few days ago and she’s a beautiful dog, but she did almost everything that you said in your blog wasn’t good to let a Shiba Inu do. She tugged and chewed on her leash, did the ‘alligator-roll’, ate leaves, sticks, etc. and she got so bored and frustrated that she started grabbing the tips of my hair and ripping it! The owner didn’t see her rip my hair, but everything else he did see and he just chuckled at them. He told us that at home, when he’s working she’ll take his dirty clothes and scatter them or put her paw on his hand and force it off of the desk and when he’s walking around she’ll snap at the air in front of his feet. He thinks it’s funny and cute and I did too (except for the snapping at the air part) until I read your blog. We told the owner that we needed a few days to think about it and after we left my mom said that we shouldn’t get her since the owner let’s her do all that stuff and it’ll be too hard to teach her not to do that stuff since she’s almost 1 year old.
So that’s my dilemma, ha ha. What do you think or suggest I should do? I’d really love to get Inuki, but I’m worried about her little ‘habits’.
Hello Jennifer,
Heh, when I first got my Shiba I didn’t do much research so he developed a lot of bad habits. Then I used aversive techniques on him which didn’t work out well at all. After about 6 months, we finally started on the right track with careful management and reward training. It took me another 6 months to reverse most of my earlier mistakes, but lucky for me it is always possible to retrain undesirable dog behaviors.
Shibas are stubborn though, so retraining will be more of a challenge than with many other dog breeds.
If this is your first Shiba, it may be best to go with a puppy or well-trained adult. Check out the breeder list on The National Shiba Club of America for AKC registered breeders in your area. http://www.shibas.org/breeders.html
Many of them will have websites. Then give some of them a call to see if they have upcoming litters or even trained adults that they want to place. AKC breeders have strict breeding guidelines and they usually breed healthy dogs with good temperament.
Do you already have other dogs? If so, it is probably easier to get a puppy.
This article is about getting Siberian Husky puppies but many of the things apply to Shiba puppies as well. It may be an interesting read - http://thedoginc.com/siberian-husky-puppies
2:03 pm on
April 30th, 2011
Andrea
So far, nothing that works well for a Shiba. Which, is fine, I mainly signed him up for the dog socialization aspect. We had another class this Monday and Kiba was a pain the whole time. We’re just doing basic obedience (sit, down, stay, heel) and some agility stuff (tunnels, stairs). Kiba’s started teething really badly so he’s not interested in anything he can’t chew on.
He had his first half day of doggy day care today (we’ll do half days until he’s all adjusted) and he was nervous, but played with some of the puppies. His friend Otto from the puppy classes was there so it wasn’t a totally new environment. He also spent last weekend with my in-laws and did really well (we were out of town).
I am pleased to report he’s learned the “leave it” command… works on everything except paper and cat poo…
I mainly signed him up for the dog socialization aspect.
Yeah, me too.
The two most useful things I learned in puppy class -
1. Bite inhibition – this was the best! Just for this alone, the class was worth it.
2. Play breaks. Shiba Sephy is like a sports car and can go from 0 mph to super crazy play in a few seconds. Frequent short breaks really helped us manage him.
I am pleased to report he’s learned the “leave it” command… works on everything except paper and cat poo
That is awesome! Sephy was not very good with Leave-It. He would leave things in the house, but when it comes to finding crap outside, he acts like he just found gold. The more I try to take things away from him, the more he wants them.
I had to watch him like a hawk so that I can stop him before he gets it in his mouth. I also became a lot more Zen about stuff and let him have tissues and non-dangerous items that he found. He soon grew bored and stopped picking up every piece of street crap.
Glad to hear that doggy day care went well! Hugs and kisses to Kiba.
Thank you for your wonderfully thorough website! My husband and I have a 1.5 year old female shiba inu named Koda. We absolutely love her and her personality. She is very friendly and excited to meet people, good with kids, and does not guard resources with people. We take her to the dog park very seldom now that we have a big yard for her but did notice that when she was at the dog park she would steal toys from other dogs and then taunt them with it and growl and fight when they came close. We would immediately leave the dog park when this happened but since we haven’t been in quite some time it hasn’t really been an issue.
About 3 weeks ago our sister-in-law and her husband got a Siberian Husky puppy, also a female named River, and we decided that it would be great for them to meet at our Easter dinner. The pup, River, and her owners came over the day before so we could do introductions and things did not go at all as planned. The dogs met in our front yard and played very well together except when one of them had a “toy”. Koda, our shiba, would get very mean and growl and steal the toy, even if the toy was a pine cone or stick laying in the yard. River is very relaxed at only 11 weeks and could’ve cared less. We weren’t really sure what to do so we just said “no” which really didn’t do anything at all. After a while it was time to go into the house and Koda guarded the front door like the a CIA agent protecting the president. She did not want River inside. When River came inside Koda followed her everywhere and would perform what I call the drive by side swipe and bite move. Things got worse when River picked up a toy or when her owners gave her food. Koda would go nuts if River went anywhere near anything she perceived as hers even if it actually belonged to River.
Eventually we started putting Koda in the backroom when she was mean or starting biting or growling but we’re not really sure that worked. We are supposed to watch River for a week in about two weeks and now are feeling completely overwhelmed and uncertain what to do. There’s so much information online that’s helpful but there’s SO much information we don’t know how to integrate it and where to start. We are also planning on getting a new puppy (a shikoku) in the next 9 months and now are worried that Koda is the kind of dog that can’t have another dog in the house. Could you give us a place to start or some advice? We’d appreciate anything.
Koda guarded the front door like the a CIA agent protecting the president.
LOL! That is too funny!
When I first brought my Sibe puppy home, Shiba Sephy was not impressed. He did not like puppy being in his backyard and he did not like puppy coming up to him and bugging him. I was worried for the first few days because Shania got along with puppy right away, but Sephy didn’t seem to.
After about 1 week though, Sephy started to accept puppy into his pack, and now after over 1 month he is actually very good with puppy. He lets puppy smell his butt, and he tolerates puppy biting him and jumping all over him even when he is resting.
Often, puppy uses Sephy as her chew toy!
Shibas are bred to be guard dogs so they don’t trust as easily as Siberians. The legendary Shiba-aloofness does not help either.
Here are some of the things I did with puppy and Shiba that helped -
1. I try to always set Shiba up for success. I removed all high priority items – bully sticks, new toys, etc. In this way he is less likely to protect items.
2. Whenever Shiba is next to puppy, I make it into a positive and rewarding experience. Often, I will be doing simple obedience commands with puppy and Shiba will sometimes come over to get in on the food action. When he does this, I get him to do commands as well and make sure to reward him well. Very soon, Shiba was coming over for most obedience sessions.
3. I supervise carefully when they are together and prevent any kind of stealing. I make sure to prevent puppy from coming close to Shiba when he is chewing on his toys or busy. This teaches the dogs that I am the one that keeps the peace and they don’t have to do it themselves.
4. I prevent puppy from smelling Shiba Sephy’s butt because I know he does not like new dogs doing that.
5. Shiba and puppy are both on drag leads so that I can control them more easily if need be. Constant management and supervision are very important especially in the initial stage.
In general, I try to step in and stop any conflicts before they occur so that I keep Shiba and puppy time together positive and safe. I try to be fair and puppy has to follow the same rules as the other dogs.
So, Kiba has had two puppy classes so far. His puppy classmates are a little mixed breed with long hair and a french bull dog. All three are about the same age and size.
Class one – Kiba was a little shy with the other puppies during play time, but by the end of the class was playing like crazy. No growling or had biting, but lots of wrestling and nipping. He was obedience champion!
Class two – Kiba joined right in playing. Then the long haired dog nipped him hard. He squealed (Shiba drama, it wasn’t a bad bite – no skin broke and he didn’t limp or have on going pain). He then proceeded to act offended the whole class, ignored the long haired dog entirely (previously his favored playmate), refused any obedience commands (apparently I had broken faith by allowing him to be nipped), and would not eat treats. After an hour long pout it was time to go home at which point he perked up and was happy again.
So, good news, no dog aggression yet. Bad news, like all Shibas he is a DRAMA QUEEN!
Our trainer has never dealt with a Shiba before so his desire to be chased, pouting talent, and bad recall (he stops 3 feet away, sits, and won’t come no matter what) are kind of baffling her.
Sephy is very good at sulking too. Every time I give him a time-out, he acts like I have severely wronged him and put him through some sort of torture.
The first class we went to actually had another Shiba puppy who was actually very well behaved. Sephy liked him most. Whenever he was around, Sephy would only play with him and totally ignore all the other puppies.
How are subsequent classes? What are they teaching in class? Anything that works really well with Shibas?
3:56 pm on
April 26th, 2011
Jess
Thank you so much – that is exactly the information I was looking for. And I also must admit that I was thinking I already sent those to you but am realizing now that I didn’t! I’ll get to mom’s this weekend – my pictures of him are stored on her computer – and PROMISE to send you some to pick from. I also need to send you his series of pictures which I’ve dubbed “Shiba ‘Death to my Tail’ Chase”… yeah, you can imagine. ;o) Go hug those doggies for me!
The new pictures are great! Sephy’s face in the battle pictures absolutely cracked me up. I can’t believe how fast the new pup is growing, and what a cuddler! I do have a question for you… Zeus isn’t bored with his kong but he does have a been there done that, maybe I’ll chew on it after I tear up the carpet type of attitude. I wanted to get him bully sticks or some rawhide bones but have heard such mixed reviews from vets I just wasn’t sure. He is 7 months old now. Do you do rawhide or bullies with your pups? Have you had any bad experiences if so?
Hi Jess,
I started with rawhide but several trainers warned me about them. The problem with rawhide is that sometimes dogs chew of pieces that are too large and when they swallow them, they may choke on them. Based on what I read, Shiba’s are susceptible because of their long sharp teeth which allows them to tear chunks off effectively.
Another problem with rawhide is that it is not digestible by dogs. As a result, it may also cause digestive issues if it absorbs water and expands in the dog’s stomach.
I now use bully sticks. I don’t give them too much of these, maybe about 1 per week or less. The nice thing about bully sticks it that it is digestible, and is mostly made up of protein.
However, they are more expensive and the dogs can get through them very quickly. Shania finishes one in about 15-20 minutes. Still though, she likes it very much. Sephy is weird and will only work on bully sticks that have first been per-chewed by Shania.
Bully sticks can also be somewhat smelly. Some of this is brand dependent.
Anyway send me some pictures of Zeus when you have the time so I can include them with his new poem.
10:20 am on
April 15th, 2011
Andrea
Maria – My shiba does the same thing. He’ll lick the couch or his dog bed until it looks like he piddled on it. I just assumed it was because my kids spill things sometimes and he was enjoying the left overs… but it’s interesting that yours does it too.
Hello Shibashake,
Just been surfing and found your site. I have a couple questions i hope some one can answer for me. I adopted my Shiba 2 years ago, Bella will be 5 in June. I just LOVE this lil girl to bits. However, just recently she has been getting a little nippy in the past few days. Bella put on a few pounds this past winter. No more bread and butter from the table, I swear! But now she hasn’t been eating much. We have been doing major spring cleaning. Could this be the reason? She normally has the run of the house but since the cleaning,washing carpets and walls etc., her space is limited. Bella ran down the stairs and strained her back paw. Could this contribute to the “nipping”. Also, this year she hates to walk. Last year as soon as i put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher she was at the door. Now I have to chase her around the house. Shut doors, block off the stairs.Bella just runs and hides. But once i get her lease on she is ready to go. She will “trot” the whole time, for spite i think. I must admit after 15 minutes of running around the house and i don’t lasso her. i just give up. How can I get her out the door?
Again I love my very much dog!
Bella ran down the stairs and strained her back paw. Could this contribute to the “nipping”.
It could be. When Sephy is in pain he gets more mouthy than usual. I guess he feels more vulnerable and views more things as threats. Might want to consider taking her to the vet just in case.
Now I have to chase her around the house.
Hmmm, Sephy will try to do this sometimes. A game of chase before a fun walk is always better than just a fun walk.
If he runs away, I go about my business and then go out to put on my shoes. Then I come in again and count to 3. If he does not come, I take off my shoes and he does not get to go walk. I try again after a couple of hours.
Usually, when I go out to put on my shoes, he will come to the door and be ready for his walk.
Hugs to Bella. Let us know how it goes.
12:29 pm on
April 19th, 2011
Maria
Hey Shiba
so Kali has started this odd behavior latley. When she is laying down (either on the couch or in bed) she starts licking whichever she is on in the same spot. she’s not licking herself she’s licking the couch or the bed. I am constantly finding huge wet spots after she’s gets up. Just wondering if this was something you’ve seen or if I should be worried… it’s more annoying then anything… (and kinda gross)
Hello Maria,
That is interesting. Sephy usually does the licking carpet thing as an extension of his grooming exercise. He will lick his feet or butt and then clean up the surrounding areas as well. He is very obsessive about cleaning, so frequently he over-cleans.
When he first started doing this, we thought he had problems with his anal glands. We brought him to the vet to get it expressed/expelled, but the vet said his glands was normal and not really full. Every year when he goes for his check-up we make sure to ask the vet to do this, just to be safe.
I think Shibas just love themselves so much they have to lick up their own scent. How is that for narcissism??!
12:15 pm on
April 17th, 2011
Drew
hi there. came across your site and just love it. you hit the shiba inu on the spot. Anyways i have a 8 month old shiba. his name is Dag. we think he might be a little of a runt. because of his size, he only weighs 20 pounds. he isnt fixed. and hes really cocky. King Dag. the only problems iv had with him is when he gets loose. and i play the chasing game… rain or shine. anyways does your shiba constantly whine? and holy heck does he cry when i touch his paws. like i was chopping them off lol.
LOL – yeah Shiba Sephy is a big whiner. The most annoying is when he wakes up early in the morning and whines to come out of his crate. He pretty much whines any time he wants something and isn’t getting it.
holy heck does he cry when i touch his paws. like i was chopping them off lol.
Yeah Sephy is sensitive about being touched as well. After a lot of desensitization work, he is a lot better. Now, he even lets us grind his nails, wipe his paws, and brush his teeth.
1:03 pm on
April 12th, 2011
Shirley
Hi Shibashake!
I came across your site a while back just when I got my shiba puppy, Taiga and your information is super helpful =) I know you’re not a vet, but I just wanted some suggestions if you have any. Taiga is 19 weeks and is showing signs of humping and my breeder did mention maybe consider neutering him earlier at 5 months old. I was considering going to a vet for a checkup first to make sure he was ready. I was wondering if you knew how long it would take for a shiba to recover for a neuter surgery? He has several obedience classes scheduled for the next few weeks, so I was wondering if I should delay the neuter until he is done his classes? Any help would be great, thank you so much!!
Sephy also got neutered at around 5 months. They did one of those dissolvable stitches thing. On the first night there was some leakage, then it was good after that. Sephy was a big biter though, so he had to have the Cone of Shame (the e-cone) on the whole time.
The most challenging part was keeping a young Shiba occupied for those 2 weeks with no running and no jumping. Frozen Kongs were awesome during that time. I am also using them now on my hyper Sibe puppy.
Let us know how it goes with Taiga.
11:46 am on
April 5th, 2011
Maria
hmmm… not sure what the URL is, but I’m pretty sure if you search Maria C Zucca, I should be the only one. hope all is well with the new pupper!!!
Hello! We have a non neutered Shiba and we are clueless on how to get him to stop marking his territory in the house! We have had him for about 5 years now and we are unsure of his exact age… he was abused at the last place he lived and he also has a seizure disorder.
He pees on the couch and on the doggy couch… on the corner of our bed and sometimes on the kitchen chair legs. He has done it right in front of me too!! We also have an English White Lab (who is a giant baby!) that has never marked his territory – he is neutered.
I don’t know if it would be moot at this point to get him neutered. I have cleaned spots time and time again… and he still does it!! We are going to go out and get a kennel this weekend but I don’t know if that will help. He is a very independent little guy, very active and energetic also. He is very bossy and extremely dominating.
Any suggestions, please?? We are willing to do anything at this point…
Maria – She might also be one of the other Japanese breeds. Several of them have personality traits similar to the Shiba, but are larger (40-50 lbs or more). Some still have the foxy coloring, but others are black or white or mottled.
Yes the water thing is weird. She doesn’t like to swim either. I don’t know for sure that she’s mixed with lab, but she’s mixed with something. She bigger than your typical Shiba (about 50 pounds) and her features are a lot “softer” than a pure.
The only place I have pics of her online is FB… you can look me up there or I can e-mail a couple to you if you’d prefer (unless there’s a way to upload them here.)
I’m really enjoying reading of your adventures in puppy parenting!
Hello Maria,
What is your FB URL? I tried looking for your but there are too many hits. Thanks!
2:01 pm on
March 31st, 2011
Maria
Hello Shibashake!!
I just found your website and just wanted to say hello. I have a 5 year old Shiba/lab mix (I think, I rescued her when she was 1.5 years). I immedietly thought she must be Shiba because of the way she looks, but after reading all your behavior stuff there is no doubt that my baby is predominatly Shiba… everything you say is right on. For example I had had her about a week when I came home from the dog park one day in a FL DOWNPOUR!!! I was trying to get to my door quick, so I cut tried to cut across the little bit of lawn. Well Kali wasn’t having any of getting her feet wet, and she planted and started backing up… she ended up slipping out of her collar and taking off. The first of many Shiba chases!!!!
Anyway, it’s good to know others out there understand my pain (and pleasure). She is the first dog I have ever owned, and is just great!!
Hahaha – that definitely sounds like a Shiba! Sephy has also slipped out of his collar a couple of times by backing up. I now use the Premier no-slip martingale collar and it is great for preventing collar escapes. It is interesting that she favors her Shiba side so much, since Labs tend to like water.
Big HUGS to Kali. Do you have any pictures for her up on the web? Would love to see her.
9:36 pm on
March 25th, 2011
Brett B
Help! Advice for Ziva and her never ending shedding needed!! Her winter shed started in February but the coat blowing I expected has never completed the cycle. She has a few tufts here and there–then it stops blowing but keeps “dribbling off”. We bathe her and she sheds lots…but then it slows down. We brush…we Furminate….we undercoat rake….but still, it’s never ending. Don’t get me wrong, the shedding never really stops, but I was expecting a two week blow out–instead we’re getting a gradual avelance of hair. Any advice for getting this on and over with? Shiba Ziva and I would greatly appreciate it, as both of us are tired of having Shiba Undercoat in our eyes! We live in the Deep South, and temps are getting into the 70s and 80s and she’s about to be miserable if she doesn’t get rid of this winter coat.
Hi Brett,
Sounds like you are already doing all the right things so I am not sure what more I can add. My Shiba breeder told me that a bath and a blow-dry afterward gets the most hair out.
I have also noticed with Sephy that when I do more regular brushing during the year, he has a lighter coat blow. Last year I was less regular with his brushing, and his most recent coat blow was quite heavy and a big hair fashion emergency.
Try asking this question in the Shiba nihonken forum. Somebody there will probably have some good suggestions.
5:14 pm on
March 21st, 2011
Andrea
We’re having a barking issue with Kiba.
I have a home office and sometimes I need to work from it. We have it blocked off with a baby gate so Kiba can’t get in and maul stuff, but so we don’t have to close the door which causes the room to get very warm.
If I’m in the office and Kiba wants me to play with him, he comes to the door and barks and howls. We’ve tried anti-marking and time out to get him to stop, but as soon as we let him out of time out, he’s back at the baby gate, barking and howling.
It’s like he doesn’t connect what he’s doing with the time outs at all.
I’d like to note, that when he does this, he’s not alone in the house. My husband has been in the livingroom, with treats and toys, willing to play. Kiba just won’t go play with him, he wants me to come out.
Several possibilities –
1. Try putting up a curtain so he can’t see you.
2. Have a play or walk training session in the backyard so that he is not there when you first go into your office.
3. Have your husband start feeding and training him more. This will help to create a stronger bond and set him up as another go-to person for Kiba.
4. Keep repeating the non-mark and time-outs, and try lengthening the time-outs of subsequent sessions. I usually have a very short initial time-out for Sephy, but if he keeps repeating, I start leaving him in there for longer and longer.
5. Have your husband do the time-outs etc., and you just totally ignore him. No talking, no eye-contact. With Sephy, he will sometimes start with his Shiba moves just to get a reaction from me – even if it is a negative reaction. The worst thing for him is to be ignored.
With Sephy, it took a whole lot of repetitions before he gave up. Shibas are extremely stubborn.
Also I have noticed that Sephy is extremely effective at sensing my feelings. If I get upset at something that he does, it is also a response, and he knows he can start using it to get what he wants. Once I was able to be Zen about his vocalizations, he stopped doing it. For example, he will sometimes whine a lot when he wants to come in or go out of the house into the backyard. I just ignore it – totally.
He has learned that I don’t care if he whines and he only gets let in when I am ready. Nowadays he knocks on the door once with his paw and waits there. Sometimes he gets impatient and knocks a few times for which he mostly just gets ignored. Sometimes I tell him to stop doing it – but only once. This lets him know that I have heard him, but I am not ready at the moment.
Make sure never to give Shiba anything when he is whining, even something like eye-contact. If you do, he will likely do it even more and with even more GUSTO!
Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
12:31 pm on
March 18th, 2011
cynthia
Hi Shibashake!!
I switched my Shiba Sasha’s food to Wellness brand natural dog food, she loves it and her coat is shinier, less scratching and allergies etc. But recently she hasn’t been eating as much, I like to put food out, have her eat it and take it away, but her eating patterns are so erratic it forces me to leave food for her to eat at her convenience. I’m wondering if she is doing some kind of shiba mind trick on me where she is demanding treats in lieu of real food?? Should i move her treats where she cant see them? should i scold her when she begs? i try and reward her randomly and always have her work for her special treats but she still seems to demand them and i do not want to reward begging or make her think she can skip eating puppy kibble and only survive on treats! any help appreicated!!! Thanks!
Hello Cynthia,
Sorry for the late reply. I just got a Sibe puppy last weekend and have been busy keeping the little ball of nuclear energy in check.
I’m wondering if she is doing some kind of shiba mind trick on me where she is demanding treats in lieu of real food??
LOL Shiba mind trick – I like that! Yeah Sephy definitely did Shiba mind tricks on me when he was younger. He still tries today, but I have now developed a good resistance to it. Like Sasha, puppy Sephy would refuse to eat his kibble, and only eat the good stuff. When mixed together, he would pick out the good stuff and refuse to eat the kibble. I did all sorts of things to get him to eat, including grinding up his kibble and then mixing it into some wet food. That worked for a while but invariably, he went back to playing hard to get.
Switching to fixed meal times really helps. Shibas are stubborn but they will eat if they are really hungry. With fixed meal times, Sephy now works for his kibble. Sometimes he will start playing his Shiba tricks again and not eat for 1 day or so, but I just stick to the meal plan and he starts to eat once he realizes that he ain’t getting more of the good stuff.
Once eating kibble becomes a routine, Shiba will be less likely to try this particular mind game.
Should i move her treats where she cant see them?
That may help. I know that Sephy becomes more obsessive when he can see something. I usually move stuff so that Sephy is not tempted to try and jump up on counters. However, it will likely not have too much of an effect on begging.
should i scold her when she begs?
Different owners have different beg rules and restrictions. For example, I am fine with begging, as long as they do it nicely, e.g. Sit, no jumping, no biting, etc. Also no temper tantrums if I choose to ignore them. I also discourage begging when I am having dinner. Usually I will tell Sephy to go to his mat/bed, and reward him for doing that. Nowadays, he just goes to his bed on his own during meal-times.
I have found that a good way to get Sephy to do what I want is not only to tell him “No”, but also to tell him what to do instead. For example, just telling him not to beg didn’t work out well with him, whereas telling him to go to his mat instead lets him work and allows him to get rewarded.
11:10 am on
March 18th, 2011
Andrea
So, we’ve had Kiba for over a week now and he’s still super mellow. He’s comfortable from what I can tell (isn’t nervous around us or guests), but he only gets hyper for about 1-2 hours a day and sleeps or cuddles the rest of the time.
Of course, when we let him out in the back yard, he becomes jet powered pup and runs around like a mad thing. I love that he pounces like a kitten when he plays!
I brought Kiba with me to work today so he wouldn’t be in the house alone (and he is too little for doggy day care). I took him to a grassy place across the street to potty and discovered poop from other dogs! I’d already let him down and now I’m scare he may get parvo. He’s already been very calm (at least when he’s not in his crate at night!) so I’m worried he’s sick.
He was vet checked when we got him and has had his first vaccines…
Hi Andrea,
I had a similar experience when Sephy was young. I was out walking with him when he was 3/4 immunized and we met a friendly dog from an equally friendly neighbor, and I let Sephy meet the dog, smell his butt, etc. Later I got really worried about parvo. It turned out that Sephy was ok; it was just limited exposure, for a very limited time, and in a clean neighborhood, so the risk of infection was very low. However, for a while there, I began to look at everything through “parvo lenses”.
Try not to worry too much. Just make sure he is still eating well, pooping well, and not showing any clear signs of sickness (e.g. vomiting). Also, no harm giving your vet a call and see what the nurse says. In the beginning I called up my vet a fair amount.
Hugs to Kiba.
6:24 pm on
March 2nd, 2011
Andrea
We’re using the same kibble as the breeder and he’s had no ill effects (it is grain free already, yay!)
Thankfully, the breeder had him acclimated to handling when we picked him up. He’s been VERY tolerant of all family members so far playing with and touching him. We have pretty much been transferring him from lap to lap (he’s been a cuddle bug in the house, but turns into a hyper explorer in the back yard.)
He and the cats are also just kind of ignoring each other so far.
We got his collar today and putting it on him was a complete non-event (once again thanks to the breeder.) He scratched at it twice and hasn’t even noticed it since. I’ve put it on and off several times with no problems. The leash, on the other hand, he started biting within seconds. I’ve found if I walk quickly and just ahead of him, he’ll worry more about keeping up than the leash though.
He’s eating a bit now and will “sit” if bribed with chicken. He LOVES chicken.
His crate and not sleeping with us is NOT making him happy, but it’s only day two, so I have hope.
By the end of the week, I may be crying about him – but the first two days have been pretty good.
Hi Shibashake, my name is Tara. I just came across your website while researching shock colloars for my dog. I have a one year old male black and tan Shiba Inu named Kelsey – he’s my baby and I love him, but we have reached a scary crossroad. Last night at a family birthday party he attacked a guest and drew blood in several places on the guests hand. Kelsey, just like all of the descriptions I’ve seen on your site, is sneaky, wild, aloof at times, and listens only when he knows it will be to his benefit. He is enrolled in obdedience traning with a well-respected trainer, but he’s smarter than the system – he performs in class and then thinks he’s the boss at home. This is not the first time he has drawn blood – he has a serious collar phobia (which he’s had since I brought him home at eight weeks). My dad was Kelsey-sitting for me while I was out of town and Kelsey slipped out of his collar; while trying to get the collar back on, Kelsey, who is terrified/hates the action, bit my dad and caused deep enough wounds to need stitches. My dad was broken-hearted and put the dog in his kennel without the collar on. After this experience my dad took Kelsey to see a dog behavior specialist, who deemed Kelsey “fear aggressive”. Not only is he aggressive, but he’s every inch the typical Shiba – steals food off the table, hides my laundry, barks at all other dogs, hates strangers, and trusts very few people. I don’t know what to do – I love my dog and don’t want to give up on him because underneath his bad behavior he is still a sweetheart… even though the sweetheart shows a little less lately than the werewolf. I don’t believe in shock collars and I swore I’d never use one on my dog (Kelsey is my first dog), but after what happened last night my family is scared of Kelsey and even I cannot trust him – my family is urging me to take a more aggressive appraoch if I want Kelsey to be welcome anymore. I desperately need wisdom from other Shiba owners, because Shiba’s are unlike any other dog. This experience is exhausting – please let me know if there’s anything I can do/try to save my dog from a life of isolation. Thanks, Tara
Hello Tara,
I had many similar experiences with my Shiba Sephy. When I went to pick him up from the breeder (10 weeks old), we tried to put a collar on him, and he ran away to hide. We cornered him under the table, and he bit us when we tried to put on a collar (so that we could take him home). He did not break skin, but he was really afraid of people handling him, especially strangers.
I started out with the “more aggressive approach” because Sephy’s breeder and our first vet tech recommended the more aggressive approach. I later realized that that only *deepened* his fear aggression and it made things worse. Every time he did something wrong, he got some kind of pain/dominance correction which included strong leash corrections, alpha rolls, or finger jabs. While these pain based techniques seemed to work for me initially, Sephy got quickly habituated to the pain, and he would fight back even more because he had started to associate people with pain.
At the end, the “more aggressive approach” worked out poorly for Sephy. He became even more aggressive, even more aloof, and he did not trust us at all. At this time, I did consider using the shock collar because I was very afraid of Sephy and did not want to go near him. After doing some research on shock collars, however, I decided against it.
What ultimately worked out best for Sephy was to institute a lot of rules within the household as well as a fixed routine. However, I would enforce those rules simply by controlling his resources – I did not get physical with him at all. I made him work for everything – including his food, his freedom, and even my affection.
Feel free to drop a comment anytime if you want to chat. The Shiba Inu forum can also be a great place to hook up with other Shiba owners. http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/
8:31 pm on
February 27th, 2011
Andrea
Kiba came home yesterday so we’ve gotten through the first day and night.
Couple of questions – Did you have a hard time getting Sephy to eat when he first came home? Kiba’s turned up his nose at food and just drank some water today.
When to Shiba’s start getting hyper? So far, he’s been a very low key puppy.
The funniest “Shiba” thing so far has been – He wants to sit with us on the couch, but is too little to jump up on his own. And he doesn’t want us to pick him up. So he walks over and whines to get up. We go to pick him up and he dodges away. So far, I’ve just moved a bit quicker and hauled him up, at which point he cuddles and falls straight asleep.
Did you have a hard time getting Sephy to eat when he first came home?
Yeah Sephy was a big pain in the ass about food in the beginning. He can still be very picky about food even now, but I no longer fall for his ploys.
Sephy does have food allergy issues though. In the beginning, the puppy kibble his breeder gave him had wheat in it (which he is allergic to), so he had the runs for a long time before we identified the source of the problem. Now I go with grain free kibble, and totally avoid wheat and corn.
I am also a big supporter of making Shiba work for his food.
When do Shiba’s start getting hyper?
Hmmm, with Sephy he was hyper after the first few days. For a few days he was unsure of himself, and didn’t know what was up. But once he got our number, he started his Shiba hijinks. I was pretty clueless so he totally drove me nuts.
One thing that I wish I started earlier with Sephy are handling exercises. Shibas tend to be really shy about handling, so after I got a clue, I spent a fair amount of time desensitizing Sephy to people touching him all over his body and also to grooming. Putting on a drag lead was also very helpful because like Kiba, Sephy loves dodging away and starting chasing games.
BIG hugs and kisses to Kiba!
8:50 pm on
February 27th, 2011
Winton
Dear shibashake could I please have your email to share the photos? Thanks.
I just recently got a husky he’s about ten weeks old I had two questions… First when should I take him off puppy food? Second my vet tells me I doyle only feed him lamb because of the sensitive stomach they havebut blue wilderness salmon, or turkey caught my eye would it be ok to feed him that
Hello Javier,
I usually keep my Sibes on puppy food until they are about 8 months old. My breeder says that she keeps hers on puppy food until they are about 1 year old.
Sibes do have pretty sensitive stomachs. It depends on the individual Sibe what ingredients they may be allergic to. In general, I would stay away from grains such as wheat, corn, and soy. I haven’t used Blue Wilderness myself but I have heard good things about it. Their listed ingredient list also looks good and it is grain free.
Is your puppy currently on the Blue Wilderness puppy food? How is he doing on it?
The Blue Wilderness puppy food mostly contains Chicken and Turkey, so if puppy is doing well on it, I would go with one of those two when switching to the adult formula.
One of my Sibes, Shania, is allergic to salmon. However, each Sibe is different.
He is on regular blue buffalo puppy not wilderness. And I don’t plan on taking him off for a while just my breeder and vet says lamb is the best for them and normally huskies have problems on other meals but blue wilderness doesn’t make a lamb. So I guess but your comment it depends?
Ah, now I see.
Yeah, when it comes to food allergies, each dog is slightly different. Both my Siberians do well on chicken and turkey (Innova EVO), but I know there are dogs who are allergic to poultry.
You could try switching brands, but I think it is better to try out Blue Wilderness first and see how it goes. Solid Gold has a Lamb adult formula, but frankly, I like the Blue Wilderness ingredient list much better.
well i don’t know what to do since I got him he has had diarrhea. The very and the breeder say to keep him on lamb but I’m starting to doubt them both because he has been on two different lamb brands and thediarrhea has always been there. The reason I haven’t changed him food is because the very have him some meds for it (which I’m almost done with) but it’s only gotten worse
My puppy Lara also had some problems with diarrhea.
One thing that helped with her is switching over to a totally bland diet. In her case, I only gave her boiled/microwave plain chicken and plain white rice. I did that for a few days and the diarrhea stopped. If the dog is allergic to poultry, then a different type of meat can also be used.
Then I slowly reintroduced back her regular food in quarters. e.g. 3/4 bland diet, 1/4 kibble for 3-4 days. If everything is ok, then 1/2,1/2 and so on. This helped me determine what exactly caused her diarrhea, which turned out to be the wet food we were feeding her.
Another thing I discovered that was causing her problems was feeding her too much in a short amount of time. Overfeeding can also cause puppies to get diarrhea.
I recently purchased a Shiba pup. We will pick her up from the breeder in October. I did some research and found two foods that look pretty good. Buffalo Blue and Solid Gold. Her breeder currently has her on a different brand. What is the ratio of her new food that I should add to the old and how much food each day should she get? I love the site and have gotten so much valuable information. This will be my first Shiba, although I have had many dogs over the years.
Thanks!
Hello Leah,
I have tried Solid Gold but I have not tried Blue Buffalo. As you say, both have good ingredients.
If I had to choose between the two now I would probably go with Blue Buffalo. This is because the Blue Buffalo brand has better choice and better ingredients in their adult high-protein kibble line (Blue Wilderness). Solid Gold only has Barking at the Moon and that contains generic Ocean fish meal and beef.
I usually do it in quarters. So I start with 1/4 new food, 3/4 old food. I do that for a few days (3-4). If everything is ok, then I do 1/2. 1/2 for another 3-4 days, and then 3/4.1/4.
I would ask your breeder about that one. I don’t remember exactly how much I gave Sephy but I do remember that what was specified on the kibble bag was a bit much for him. Sephy was really picky about his food and unlike Sibe puppies, he did not like to over-eat.
Congratulations on your October puppy! Remember to take lots of pictures. Shibas really grow up very quickly and I find now that I have so very few pictures of Sephy when he was a puppy.
Hello ShibaShake! Our family got a miniature schnauzer about three months ago and she is now 5 months old. We have quite a bit of trouble leaving her at home because she always senses that we are leaving and would go crazy in her play pen and scream, ignoring the treats we have left in there for her. Does the fact that we always worry for her when we leave her at home alone have anything to do with it? Or are we doing something wrong? We would always leave a light and the TV on when we go out, and a million toys in her pen with her.
Hello Angela,
It sounds like separation anxiety.
My two Siberians are not too anxious when they are left alone but my Shiba Inu, Sephy, used to get really stressed when we left the house. He really likes his routine so anything out of the ordinary causes him a lot of anxiety.
What helped him deal with the situation is to slowly desensitize him to being alone. In the beginning we would just go through the regular ritual of leaving, but then not leave. We kept repeating that many times every day until he became comfortable with it and was no longer reacting. Then we would leave, close the door, and then come back in right away. Once he was good with that, we slowly lengthened the time that we were away.
I started really slow, maybe lengthening the time in minutes so that Sephy could handle the situation. The more positive or non-negative experiences that he had, the more confident he became.
Maturity also helps because as he got older, he also got more confident and established more trust with us. Here are more of my experiences with separation anxiety -
http://shibashake.com/dog/separation-anxiety-dog-why-how-reduce-dog-stress
It may. My dogs are very sensitize to what I am feeling so if I am stressed, they get stressed as well. Shiba Inu, Sephy is especially sensitive and high-strung. He will amplify my stress or fears by at least two orders of magnitude.
Thanks for posting these articles! I’ve really enjoyed reading through them — very helpful.
My wife and I recently (3 weeks ago) adopted/bought a 5.5-month-old Shiba Inu. We were really taken by the breed, heard all the warnings about how they are difficult, gave up the idea for 9 months, but then circled back and gave it a try. We found a family in our area who was selling their pups.
Our dog is named Kitsu and she is not living up to the stereotypes — she’s not dominant, but very FEARFUL of new people and other dogs. She’s come to trust and enjoy the two of us, her new owners, but whenever someone comes over, she runs for cover under the bed, couch, or into her crate, even our friends who come by often. On walks, she tries to escape whenever a passerby gives her any attention (if they totally ignore her, she watches them but mostly keeps moving). Any recommendations on coaxing our shy shiba out of her shell? We try to socialize her to other people and dogs, but it’s hard to tell if we are helping her face her fear or traumatizing her even more.
Related second question: Kitsu will sometimes walk with us very well. But all of the sudden, she’ll resist and wont keep walking. She’ll sit down and force us to drag her (btw, we’ve gotten mixed advice on if pulling her along is good or bad). The best we’ve found to do is pick her up, carry her for a half-block, and then put her down again — most of the time she’ll walk again. But this happens frequently.
Bonus question: We’ve had a new problem the last three days: she’s taken to urinating around our apartment — and only in her “den” spots (her crate, under our bed, and under the couch). Any ideas about this?
Anyway, would love some advice if you have any. Thanks!
Kyler
Hello Kyler,
My Sibe puppy Lara is also more of a fearful puppy. I think some of it has to do with her age. She is particularly afraid of loud noises and also of people on skateboards and bicycles. The other day, she saw a deer and both deer and Lara ran away in opposite directions.
What has worked with her is to slowly desensitize her to the things that she is most afraid of. For example, with the loud noises I would first find a recording of it on the net. Then, I set aside some training time and play the same sound very softly on my stereo. During this time, I also engage her in obedience commands with rewards. This helps her to focus on me, and also helps her associate the sound with something positive and non-scary.
Desensitization can work in a similar way with meeting new people. One common technique is to use distance. For example, have puppy on leash and ask a new person stand a certain distance away from puppy. Far enough away that puppy is calm and not reacting to the person. Also make sure that the person is totally ignoring the puppy – no talking, and most important of all no eye-contact. Eye contact can sometimes be seen as a threat by our dogs.
When everything is calm and good, get puppy’s attention and reward her for staying calm and attentive. Then walk one step closer and repeat.
This helps to teach puppy to associate new people with something positive. It also trains puppy to focus on us which can come in very handy during times of stress. I always make desensitization sessions short, fun, and very rewarding so that puppy will associate it with very positive feelings.
When puppy is near enough to the new person, we can even have the person throw puppy a treat (still no eye-contact). This further helps the puppy learn that people = good treats.
Hmmm, this is more difficult to say. It will depend on why Kitsu is stopping. It could be because of fear, or because she wants to rest, or because she wants to smell the air, or because there is something interesting in that spot, etc.
When Lara is afraid during walks she will usually try to run away. When she does that I start talking to her in a calm voice. I keep talking to her calmly and that seems to help her some. I also move away from whatever she is spooked by but in a calm fashion. She usually calms down after a short amount of time and we continue our walk. I also try not to do too much with her in a single walk so that she views it as something positive and fun. The more successful walks she has, the more confident she will become.
With Sephy and Shania they usually stop when they want to look at people and smell the wind. They actually like lying around for pretty long periods of time watching cars, people, and smelling all the interesting scents. I usually let them do this and when it is time to go, I ask them to get up and we go home.
Some trainers may suggest pulling the dog along and making the dog confront his/her fears. This technique is known as flooding. It may work, but it can also be risky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooding_(psychology)
With my dogs I prefer to use desensitization techniques and build confidence through positive experiences.
It could be submissive urination -
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/dogs/tips/submissive_urination.html
It would depend on what actually triggers the urination.
Hey. Your site is very informative and the articles are very well written as well. I have gotten my first Shiba last Saturday, his name is Ace and he’s 2 months old/. Including Ace, my house now has 3 dogs. One Alaskan Malamute(Rei) and a Japanese Spitz(Husky). Both Rei and Husky are pretty chill dogs who aren’t really interested in play and prefer cuddles but Ace?
Hoo Boy… He’s a crazy little furry shark. Attempts to bite/chew everything and is almost always constantly on the go and up to mischief. I have read several of your articles prior to getting Ace and I thought “Alright! totally ready for this!” I was proven oh so very wrong. He prefers to chew on the furniture and other things rather than his toys most of the time. Also, he makes mistakes around the house and refuses to go on the wee wee pads set up for him in the toilet. He’s also pretty excited when we give him treats and handfeed him though he doesn’t bite the hands rather jumps and scratches us before being given the treat. As for the excitement, I have tried playing with him till he tires out but more often than so, he just loses interest in the toy and starts biting us or anything around him. I have tried saying ouch or yelping and even saying a firm no but he continues the biting and it is starting to leave marks as his teeth are very sharp. I cannot let him socialise with my other 2 dogs because they are pretty wary of him at the moment. Husky is pretty old and doesn’t really accept new dogs and Rei has a pretty low tolerance with dogs(he’s absolutely lovely with people though).
Do you have any advice on the biting, potty training and excitement? So sorry if this has already been addressed in the articles D:
Also, I cannot take him out for walks yet as he has not gotten his final puppy shot at the vets and we plan to start with his obedience training classes next month as we’ll be away for a week from the 31st.
Here’s a little picture of Ace too (:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj115/Kitsuneoftherose/IMG_0681.jpg
LOL! I love that description!
Yeah, words, pictures, and videos cannot capture the true pain of the real Shiba experience.
In terms of the biting and excitement what worked best with Shiba Sephy is to stay very calm. When he bites, I do the yelp thing but in a more calm, low-pitched voice. Like your little fur shark, Sephy got excited really easily when he was a puppy and high pitched sounds got him going.
The calm Oww usually startles him for a bit and he stops. At that point I put a toy near his mouth and redirect him to bite on something acceptable.
Sometimes he will redirect, but often he will just continue biting my hands. At that point I non-mark him, Ack-Ack, stand up, fold up my arms, stop playing with him., and ignore him.
But Shibas are usually pretty stubborn so they may continue to try and get attention by biting on clothes or feet. Sephy didn’t do that but he would go over to the bookcases and start chewing on books because he knows that this will get my attention.
At that point I just calmly say time-out and remove him to a boring time-out area (usually the laundry room). He stays in there for about 30 seconds, then I ask him for a simple command (e.g. Sit) before letting him out.
Here are a few articles on my early experiences with Sephy -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-obedience-training
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-biting-how-to-stop-puppy-biting
As for potty training, Sephy really does not like going in the house. When he has to go, he will whine and go to the door. If possible, I would train puppy to go outside rather than on puppy pads.
Some puppies, like my Sibe puppies are less picky and they will go wherever. For them, I made sure to always watch them very closely when they are in the house. As soon as it looks like they are about to go potty, I take then outside. If I miss their potty cue and they start to go, I interrupt them and take them outside.
During puppyhood, I would bring Sephy out on-leash to a fixed place in the yard. Then I gave him the go potty command. I usually wait about 10 minutes for him to do his potty and I don’t let him play or roam about during that time. If he does his potty, I would praise him a lot and reward him really well with food and a fun game. In this way he learns that potty outside = lots of praise, rewards, and play.
Here is more on my potty training experiences.
Thanks for that awesome picture of Ace! Love that expression on his face and those ears!
Hi thanks for your advice! Yeah, he is a handful haha. Regarding the time-out thing, I’ was wondering whether to let him out even if he starts screaming and crying during that duration or leave him till he calms down and then let him out? I’ve heard that releasing them while they yelp/scream/cry will teach him to continually use that to get out. He’s very smart and has learned to sit already too (: Ace was also very well behaved for his first time at the vet’s yesterday. He didn’t make a really big fuss about microchipping and nail trimming (much less than my malamute who needs about 4/5 people holding him down for temperature/shots)
We did find out yesterday that he has started attempting to hump and all (I was surprised as he is still very young and my other/previous dogs only did it after a year old. They eventually stopped when we refused to play and ignore them but Ace us very persistent ). Any advice on that? since you did mention that Sephy had the same problem too.
I also notice that you have quite a collection of toys that use/contain food. Does this affect Sephy/your other dogs’ meal times? or do you use it as a substitute for dog bowls?
Taking care of Ace is actually quite a different experience for me compared to training my other dogs as they are usually compliant and are pretty much manageable.
As for potty training, I’m now taking him up to the garden on my roof (we didn’t have enough space for a backyard and my parents were afraid that the other two dogs would soil it) every now and then for potty and some outdoor space. Is this advisable or should I just use the garden for potty? He won’t be going outside to parks and the sort till he gets his jab for parvo and distemper in 2 weeks time.
Thanks for your help (:
Sorry to add in, but he also does bite his leash. I was thinking of playing the “Find-It” game as suggested. Is the objective of the game ultimately to focus on the treat and not the leash and does it effectively stop leash biting?
Yeah they are very smart and as you say, will learn to use their patented Shiba Scream to get out if they can. I usually don’t let Sephy out until he has calmed down and is not whining. In the beginning, I waited for a very brief pause in his whining and then asked for a sit. As he got older, I slowly lengthened his necessary quiet time.
Wow that is really impressive! I wish Sephy was better at the vet. He is very sensitive to pain and is very fearful of vet visits.
I am not a big fan of humping so if Sephy does that to people he goes immediately to timeout. Nowadays, he doesn’t do that to people anymore but he will sometimes try to hump the other dogs during play. I stop that as well and if he keeps trying to hump, he goes to timeout and loses out on the play session.
Yeah, all the dogs have to work for their food. They get some of their food from doing commands, some from Find-It, and some from interactive toys. I think they enjoy working for their food and it helps to give them some mental exercise. It also makes them eat more slowly which is better for their digestion.
I supervise them very closely during meal-times to make sure there is no stealing.
As for potty training, it sounds like you are doing the right thing. I think it is easier to teach a puppy to go somewhere outside the house because then it is clear that in the house there is no potty whatsoever. However, dogs can also be trained to go on potty pads, in the same way that we train them to go outside. It may just take a bit more supervision and repetition because they may not know initially whether it is ok to potty in a particular room, or whether it is just in the corners of rooms, or whether it is only on the puppy pads.
Hugs to Ace!
For leash biting, it depends to some degree on why the dog is showing that behavior.
With many dogs, especially a puppy, it may simply be a play behavior.
In Sephy’s case though, he was mostly leash biting out of frustration. For example, he used to be very reactive to dogs and would sometimes go into a crazy leash biting dance when he did not get to go over to meet them. In these instances, it was a lot more effective to just quickly remove him from the area and take him home. If he continued to leash bite, he goes to timeout.
Here is a bit more on my experiences with leash biting -
http://shibashake.com/dog/train-your-dog-to-stop-biting-on-the-leash
I have my first Sheba and as a former dog trainer, I definitely feel like she is much more difficult than any other breed. But SO smart! She is six months old and rings the bell when she needs to go out (though she is starting to do the multi-times out and I’ve been using time out for that, I plan to modify her outside visits to limit her movement as suggested above, but she definitely knows “go potty” command lol). she watched my daughter’s Yorkie Pinm Einstein, and learned how to go “up” (sitting on her butt and raising front up for treat) on her own and now does it on command. I’m amazed by her intelligence every day and surprised how she now likes to lay not just near me but often touching me while she sleeps (one night she even came up and butted her forehead against mine and slept that way). I look forward to your page for insight in the future!
Hello Debra,
Your little Shiba girl sounds adorable!
Yeah Shibas are very smart – and not just book smart, they are also extremely street smart. Sephy is very good at figuring out all of my buttons and he knows which one to push to get what he wants.
He can sometimes be a big pain in the ass, but he makes up for it by doing really funny and surprising things that make everyone laugh.
Congratulations on your Shiba puppy and big hugs!
Hi I have a Shiba Inu puppy her name is Akira she is going to be a year in november. She is unique in the sense that she still retains some of her black mask and has black eyebrows where the white should be. Anyway the problem I’m having with her is the biting and getting her to do her commands. She did not give me trouble and people even were astonished at her temprement so much that they said that she could not be a Shiba Inu. We took her to training as soon as she was a week old. I had a life threatening situation where I was in the hospital for 3 days and I was in the hospital so I left he with my sister and her kids. She is very close to me and is still close to me and will come lay down with me if I take a nap but ever since I got back it has been like something snapped in her. Whenever the doorbell rings now she gets anxious and howls and when anyone comes in the door she jumps on them and bites them in play. At first when we played with her before the incident she did not bite but squeezed but now she is biting. She does not listen to me sometimes when I call her and now she seems like she has made it her mission to get into anything she can get her mouth on. Akira’s favorite pastime is to tear paper and she seems to do it just to spite me. I read that she just wants attention and not to give it to her but none of the methods that I learned from her training class seems to work. When she bites I do the ack and turn away but instead of calming down and turning away she either goes around or bites on the back of the leg. It’s to the point now that she’s becoming destructive biting up paper and on chair legs. She will be a year in November will it be to late to change her behavior? I use her crate as her time-out zone and she knows the word Kennel which is her time-out zone and usually gets her to stop what she is doing. Is this a just wait it out thing or do I need to take furthur measures to get her to stop biting and jumping because the ack isn’t really working and I’m tired of her jumping on my friends and family members. She is almost never alone and when she is she is alone for 3 hours tuesday and thursday because those days I am in school. I try not to reward her bad behavior with attention but she finds a diffrent angle on how to bite or get hold of something she isn’t supposed to have.
Sorry I meant a week after we got her
Hello Elias,
Shiba Sephy is very similar in that he really likes his routine. He is also very sensitive to the energy of the people around him. So big changes in his environment cause a lot of stress for him.
As for the biting, timeouts work really well with Shiba Sephy because he really values his freedom. If Sephy does not respond to the yelp, I stand up, fold up my arms, and turn away from him. If he continues to bite, I calmly say timeout and take him directly to timeout.
In general, it is best not to use a crate as the timeout area because we want the dog to view the crate as something positive. This makes it easier to crate puppy when she is sleeping or home alone. I use the laundry room as my timeout area for Sephy and make sure there is nothing in there that he can chew, eat, or would be dangerous to him.
Here are some additional things I tried with Shiba Sephy in terms of biting -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-biting-how-to-stop-puppy-biting
Other things that helped when Shiba Sephy was a puppy -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-obedience-training
Another thing I did with Sephy when he was young was take him to the SPCA to play with other friendly dogs there (under supervision). He really needed a fair amount of off-leash time and I didn’t have a backyard then, so the SPCA play sessions really helped a lot.
A tired Shiba is a good Shiba.
Hugs to Akira. Let us know how it goes.
I totally stumbled upon your site, but loved reading some of your articles. I have a 4 yr old male Shiba named Suntori. He’s his own man. And just like your article, he comes around when he wants something, but is usually lounging around on his bed, or snout out under the sofa.
I have always wanted a German Shepherd,Lab, Husky, Golden Retriever, or Samoyed a dog a bit more loving and affectionate, just to give things a bit of a balance. I am in the process of researching what is the best fit for us but my main concern is Suntori. He doesn’t really care to socialize with other dogs and just like you said somewhere, as far as he’s concerned, he’s royalty.
I really want another dog and am really interested to see how you invited your new dog into your home and how your Shiba responded. Any words on which of the breeds I mentioned would be best? I do like a spitz, but that is not my sole deal maker/breaker.
Thanks and I look forward to reading more of your articles.
My Shiba Inu Sephy does not trust very easily. He was pretty stand-offish when we brought puppy Lara home. He did not want puppy messing with him, sniffing his butt, and he did not play with puppy. He did sniff her, examine her, and then he kept his distance.
During the first week I made sure to supervise them very closely so that puppy does not bother Sephy and so that they did not have any negative experiences together.
I also made sure that they had many positive experiences. I had many short training sessions with puppy and during this time, Sephy would come over to beg for food. I made sure to praise and reward both dogs really well when they were calm and peaceful together. After a bit, Sephy would always come over whenever I started training sessions with puppy.
It is also very important to be fair and consistent with all the dogs. Puppy has to follow the same rules as the other dogs. In fact, puppy has more rules.
It took about 1 week before Sephy warmed up to puppy Lara. Once he included Lara into his circle of trust though, he became very tolerant of her and lets her sniff, jump over him, step on him, etc. Still, I supervise them so that Lara doesn’t bother Sephy too much and overly stress his patience.
Here are more of my experiences with getting a second dog.
NOTE: Sorry for repost. I just noticed that my previous message was posted as a reply to my own comment so I didn’t know if it would be noticed by anyone down there.
Original Message:
Hi everyone!
We just got our new Shiba puppy this Sunday! Here are some pictures of her: http://front–row.tumblr.com/post/8029982727
Her name is Kumiko (Kumi for short)and so far she has brought the expected mix of terror and delight. Certainly a full blown Shiba scream is something that needs to be experienced to be appreciated.
This is our first day leaving Kumi at home while we both work. We’ve kept her confined to the hallway by closing all the doors, but I’m still paranoid that she’ll have found a way to destroy everything or summon the police by screaming.
We have a crate and a decently sized exercise pen for her for longer term confinement. However she seems to absolutely hate these two things and will start screaming and crying within two minutes of being placed in one of them. Obviously this is not ideal. We’d like to be able to leave our Kumi unattended for a few hours without here sounding the alarm constantly.
Does anyone have any tips about how to get her acclimated to being confined to her crate or pen?
Also, often she whines to be taken outside to do her business, but when I get her out there she just meanders about eating grass and sometimes just sitting in the grass without doing anything. Then when I take her back inside she’ll start whining again and if you ignore it she’ll just go poop in the corner somewhere. It’s a bit frustrating to take her out 3 times in an hour only to have her poop in the house!
Thanks for any help anyone can provide!
Congratulations on your new Shiba puppy! Thanks for sharing all your great pictures – Kumi looks absolutely adorable!
In terms of crating, what seems to have worked pretty well for my Sibe puppy is to go very slowly. Currently, she is tethered with a very short lead to the crate at night. She will sometimes go in there to sleep but the door is open so she can come out for a short distance if she wants to. Initially we put her on a longer tether and we have slowly shortened it as she slowly gets used to her routine.
Another possibility, is to train puppy to go in there for very short periods of time initially and then slowly lengthen the time. For example, the first few days, give the crate command, throw a treat in, puppy goes in, Good!, treat, and let puppy out again. Don’t even close the door. Then once puppy is comfortable doing that, close the door and then open it back right away, and so on.
In terms of the potty, what I did with Sephy (when he was a puppy) is always bring him out on lead. I take him to his potty spot and say “go potty”. Then I wait for a few minutes. In that time I do not let him go exploring etc. – which is where the lead comes in very handy. If he does go potty, then I praise him a lot, reward him really well, and then he gets to go off-leash and explore in the backyard. We also play some fun games. If he does not go potty, then we come back in.
Usually, I have a black-out period after we come in, where I don’t take him out even if he whines. But I do watch him for potty signals. If I see him heading to the corner (that is usually his tell that he is about to go potty) then I take him out and repeat the process above.
In this way, he does not get rewarded for whining because he doesn’t get to go exploring when we first go outside. However, if he actually does his potty, then he gets rewarded really well.
Also try posting your questions on the Shiba Inu Forum -
http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/
There are many Shiba veterans there with a lot of good information. Let us know how it goes!
Hello!
I adopted two girl dogs a year ago, a Pomeranian (Bella, 6 years) and a Pug X fox terrier (Tricky, 3 years) and I had them de-sexed about 2 months ago. They have begun fighting since then. They used to be best friends and now fight at least once every day over attention or food.
Do you know what may be causing this or do you have any advice on how to handle it?
Thankyou!
Hello Amy,
After neutering or any kind of surgery, my Shiba Inu just wants to be left alone. I make sure to keep my other dogs away from him until he feels better.
My Siberians (2 girls, both spayed) seem to handle surgeries better and are in a better mood.
I have not experienced what you describe before so I am not sure of the cause. My best guess is that one or both were in pain or in some discomfort after the surgery, and that may have triggered something.
In cases of aggression, it is usually best to get help from a professional trainer. A professional trainer will be able to observe the dogs in real-time and identify exactly what is triggering the aggression. This helps us focus in on the right trigger and the right treatment. Since no two dogs are the same, visits with some professional trainers really helped me out a lot when I was having aggression issues with my Shiba Inu.
Here are some of my experiences with managing multiple dogs in the same household -
http://shibashake.com/dog/second-dog-introducing-a-second-dog
Here are some of my experiences with food guarding and resource guarding -
http://shibashake.com/dog/stop-food-aggression-stop-resource-guarding
When you teach your dogs commands, how do you come up with the method for teaching them? For example, google searches, books, videos, trainers, etc. I am trying to find new commands to teach Marcus so he doesn’t get bored. Also so I don’t get bored repeating the same few commands over and over and over, haha.
Also, your advice is doing wonders. Marcus now knows to follow silently and plops down in the bathroom corner when I say time-out. Definitely less furniture chewing incidents (still working on leash as a chew toy)!!
Hey Alice,
I am so glad to hear that things are improving with Marcus. He sounds like a really fun and awesome puppy.
I usually try to break the command down into little small steps and then use hand targeting to achieve each step. Sometimes I use shaping (waiting for the dog to offer behaviors that I want), but that requires a lot more patience.
The other thing that I do is carefully observe them, and see what action and stimulus trigger certain behaviors. For example, my Sibe Shania sings whenever I squeak a toy. So to train her the “Sing” command, I first start with the squeaky toy together with a hand gesture, then I move on to just the hand gesture tied to a verbal command, then I try it with just the verbal.
Big hugs to Marcus. Let us know what works best for you in terms of teaching him new commands.
Hi, I’m going to be getting a Shiba in a few weeks and have found your blog to be an extremely valuable resource and has given me plenty to read.
I just have one simple question.
Is your dog, Sephy, by any chance named after Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII?
Absolutely! I am a big fan of the FF series.
Congratulations on your upcoming Shiba puppy. Share some puppy pictures with us when you get him.
Ahahahahaaa, that is great. Not Red XIII though? Haha.
Pretty much read your entire website and I am obsessed with it. Looking forward to more updates!!
LOL! I decided to name him based on temperament rather than based on looks.
Does anyone notice their Shiba is neurotic about their tails or is it just my dog? If a fly lands on her back or tail she’ll literally go into a tail spin seeing if it’s still there minutes later. Sometimes she sprints to her bed or couch and lays down like she’s been punished.
Sephy used to be very neurotic about his tail and actually about his entire posterior region. We started handling him a lot in the back areas and tying that to rewards. That has helped him get more comfortable with unexpected touches or insects on his tail.
He is still pretty neurotic about flies though. If one gets in the house he will not rest until the fly is dead.
Hi ShibaShake! Thanks for responding, I’m putting another ‘question’ up as I can’t reply to yours for some reason.
Anywho, about my two other dogs. They are literally just hams. They love to be loved and they like to snuggle and just be touched.
The Papillon is an extremely calm dog, only barks when the front door is opened, and the Poodle I sometimes forget is there. He’s that quiet.
After a few days with Max (We’re seriously thinking about calling him Taz now). I’ve discovered that he does the shriek when I pull at his collar when he’s under the table/goes somewhere he doesn’t want to go. He shrieks when I have his food taken away as well.
In a day it seems he’s learned that when I say “no” to him eating at the other dog’s bowl (They like to share), he understands. But he keeps running away to under the table. And when I try to get him out of the table, the Scream commences.
So I put him in time-out, which is at the patio of our apartment. I don’t know how long it appropriate for a Shiba to be put in time out, but I find that I keep him out there from 15-20 minutes on average. When he comes inside. He’s sweet. Until he goes under the table and I have to pull him out and then he screams all over again.
Then I have to put him in time-out it seems for shrieking like that.
It’s a cycle that I don’t know how to fix! With me alone, and with my girlfriend, he’s great. He’s loving. He likes to (for some reason) sit under my legs whenever I’m standing/sitting in a chair and he likes to be touched.
But is the shrieking something that I can mitigate, is it something I can show Max that I don’t appreciate it and like it?
LOL – I like that name. It would suit a Shiba very well.
The under the table thing sounds like he is hiding rather than anything else. I would carefully observe what are all the triggers that cause him to run under the table – is it when there are loud noises? when the other dogs stare at him? when voices are raised? Then he can be slowly desensitized to that trigger so that he no longer sees it as something scary that he needs to run away from.
http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Bad-Dog-Dealing-With-Bad-Dog-Behavior#txtd_2606365
Also, what happens if you just leave him under the table? If it is a fear response, going in after him may trigger even more fear, which causes the screaming, etc. In general, I have found that it is most effective to deal with the root of the issue – which is what is triggering the run-under-table behavior in the first place.
Hi, ShibaShake.
My fiancee and I just got a Shiba Inu 2 days ago. Neither of us had read about the Shiba, and its various characteristics (trust me, I wish I had). It’s only Day 2, and I’m so stressed out. I’ve never owned any kind of pets before. Luckily, our work schedule works out fine, and the Shiba is alone during the day for 3 hours, 3 days of the week. Yesterday, while I was driving to work, I wanted to turn back around and just stay home with her lol.
I guess I have a few questions. What’s your method for when she does something bad? (Like biting, which she does mostly in the mornings) Right now I’m starting to say “No!” sternly and grabbing her face so she looks at me when she does it (my fiancee says to grab her by the back of the neck.. what would you suggest). I’m trying not to smack her.
Also, we live in an apartment on the second floor, and when we take her out to potty, she will not go up or down the stairs (she’s 12 weeks old). At what age should I start trying to get her to go up and down the stairs?
And what’s your opinion on the Bark Off?
Thank you so much. Of course, I haven’t gotten much sleep the past 2 nights, and I read in one of your articles that that’ll happen for the next couple weeks. Right now, my fiancee lays down on the floor next to her crate when she’s fussy till she calms down a bit.
Well, I’m not Shiba Shake of course, but I just wanted to comment. I can’t say I’m an experienced Shiba owner yet, I just put a deposit toward a 2 wk old shiba female though…after MASSIVE amounts of research and interviewing shiba owners via email. If you haven’t started on that, trust me you will want to now because there is a LOT to know. Until I did my own research I had no idea how different shibas are from most other breeds, caring for them is -very specific-. The good thing is your puppy is young so you can apply what you learn right away. Just some things I was able to gather: most websites will tell you they are headstrong and difficult to train, so be aware of that. You have to be consistant with your training, and establish your dominance. They also need to be socialized with other dogs and humans at an early age, as well as leash trained. Like I said though, I’m not personally experienced since my puppy hasn’t arrived yet
but you definitely need to start reading -everything- you can about shibas now. It will help a lot in reducing your stress, I’m sure. Also, everywhere I’ve read says that if you give the puppy an article of clothing of yours to sleep with (anything that smells like you) your scent will soothe them and make them feel more comfortable when they are alone in their crate. One last tip I read: a gentle dominance training trick to use on puppies is holding them in cradled in your arms like you would a baby. They will struggle and whine, but don’t set them down until they have relaxed and given in to being held…this shows them your dominance (or so I read…sounds logical to me though.) Good luck and hope things go well for you!
Yeah, my fiance read about the holding them like a baby thing too.
I read that you don’t wanna put any blankets or clothes in the crate when they’re too young cause that’ll encourage them to eliminate in the crate. Who knows. My fiance and I are both learning. It’s only been two days, but we swear, she’s already gotten a little bigger.
Good luck with your Shiba when you get it! They are so adorable! (Especially when they’re playing with their toys or sleeping next to you)
Keep me posted when you get your Shiba! My email is mishu09 at the site hotmail -dot- com.
** From ShibaShake – Michelle, I edited the email so that it can’t be extracted by web scrappers. In general, it is best not to post your email in a public page. If you want your email totally removed, let me know.
Hello Michelle,
Congratulations on your new Shiba puppy!
When I first got puppy Lara the first two things I taught her were a mark (Yes or Good Girl) and a non-mark (No or Ack-Ack). A mark indicates to her that she is doing something good and it usually followed by a reward. A non-mark indicates to her that she is doing something not-good and is usually followed by an alternate command (and a reward), or a “punishment” which usually means she loses one of her freedoms or does not get something that she really wants.
For biting, I have found that bite inhibition training is very useful for my dogs. Bite inhibition training teaches the dog to have a soft mouth when it comes to people. This is great because even if an accident occurs, and the dog bites on a person, it will likely not cause much if any harm. I mostly do bite inhibition training through hand-feeding.
Here are a couple of articles on dog biting and bite inhibition -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-biting-how-to-stop-puppy-biting
http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/How-to-stop-your-dog-from-biting-you-and-biting-others-dog-aggression-aggressive-dog
Sometimes a Shiba can be stubborn though and will not stop biting even after I non-mark and redirect him. In these cases a time-out works best for Shiba Sephy.
Once I have good bite inhibition then I switch to a No-Bite policy, but I still keep up with hand-feeding.
In terms of physical forms of discipline, I tried that with Shiba Sephy when he was young and that did not work out well for us at all. This is the story of my early days with Shiba Sephy -
http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Shiba-Inu-Sephy-and-Me
We had a lot of challenges, but things worked out in the end.
With puppy Lara she started going up stairs first. I think that is easier and less scary for them. It was something that I just let her do by herself and when she was ready, she just did it. She probably started doing that after being with us for a couple of weeks – but that would depend on the puppy. It took another couple of more weeks before she tried going down stairs.
I did sometimes play games with her on the stairs – just going up one or two steps with a toy and she would come after me to get it. While playing, she is focused on doing something else, so she doesn’t think about how scary the stairs are.
I have never used Bark Off before. From reading the reviews though, it seems that this method of sound aversion is not very effective with many dogs. Shibas are usually more stubborn than most breeds so I am not sure how well this would work.
Another sound aversion training technique that I did try on Sephy when he was a puppy is to put a bunch of coins in a soda can, tape up the open tab, and then shake the can. Sephy definitely did not like that sound and it worked for more minor types of rule breaking.
However, for more serious things I use a time-out which has been the most effective thing for Shiba Sephy. It also worked very well on Siberian puppy Lara. I only do that for serious things though, like continued biting, leash biting and humping.
This article on puppy training may also be helpful -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-obedience-training
Good luck! Let us know how it goes!
It can definitely work on many dogs, but I think the most important thing is to be flexible and tailor the techniques to suit the individual dog and their own unique personality.
For example, I have seen many people do the baby-cradling move very effectively with their dogs. On Sephy however, it did not work out well. When my other half tried to do that to him, he just got really fearful and had to get away no matter what. Holding a dog like that is taking away his freedom to run away and at the same time putting him in a very vulnerable position (with his belly exposed). If I stranger did that to me – I would be freaking out too.
When Sephy was forced to stay in that position until he was calm, he got so scared that he pooped all over the place.
This taught me to always listen to Sephy and to be flexible about the training techniques that I use.
Hi Shib.
First, I want to say that your blog is simply astounding. You’re a fountain of knowledge and help.
My problem:
I’ve wanted a Shiba since I was a younger boy playing Nintendogs. I saw the wolf-esque looking animal and since then have fell in love with the breed.
I posted an ad on Criagslist saying that I was looking for a Shiba to either buy, or rehome. I was hoping for a female, but instead I got an e-mail saying that a couple was offering a male. The Shiba (Who is named Max, apparently) was just ‘dropped’ on them by a family member and they couldn’t keep it because the girl was allergic to him.
I saw him, and he’s a great guy. He works really well with people it seems and is pretty nice when it comes to us.
However, when any of our other two dogs gets near his toys, or a place that he’s ate, he starts to growl at a worrying rate. I had put food in my papillons bowl to feed him, and Max went in for himself. I tried to take the food away from Max and he started to bare his teeth and growl.
When we brought him home, he immediately ran under a table. I tried to get him out, but he started to make this high pitch shrieking noise (Which I think is what is called the “Shiba Scream”), and I have NO idea how to respond to it.
Was it a mistaking taking in a Shiba under the conditions that we have two other dogs (soon to be one other, my mother is taking our poodle), or should I keep trying?
And if so, could you help in *anyway* possible, with some tips, tricks, some way to establish *myself* as the pack leader?
You’d be saving myself so much time, and heartache. Thank you!
-Michael
(P.S., do male dogs just gravitate towards women more, or is that something that’s a myth?)
Any help at all T_T?
Hello Michael,
Sounds like Max has some resource guarding and food aggression issues. These issues usually arise because every time someone or another dog comes near them, they get their stuff stolen from them – so they feel that they must start guarding. Shibas have a pretty high protection drive, so they are also more likely to guard than the average breed.
There are a variety of ways to reduce this guarding behavior, but food aggression training requires a fair amount of time, supervision, and careful management. It also depends on how often and how long the dog has already been practicing this behavior. Here are a couple of articles on my experiences with food aggression issues -
http://shibashake.com/dog/stop-food-aggression-stop-resource-guarding
http://shibashake.com/dog/resource-guarding-shiba-inu
I would also consider going to see a professional trainer about it. Food aggression issues can be dangerous to people, so it is best to start off on the right foot.
LOL, yeah Shibas do the Shiba Scream when they find themselves in a situation that is really not to their liking. Shiba Sephy used to do that with my dog walker when she tried to force him to walk in a heel position.
The running under the table thing sounds like he is just unsure about his new surroundings. Shiba Sephy actually did that at the breeder’s house when we tried to put a collar on him.
The way I deal with the Shiba Scream depends on why Shiba is doing it. For things that he is fearful about (e.g. running under the table because of the collar), I make sure to desensitize him to it when we are home, in a quiet place, and when I have a good amount of time for training.
If Sephy is just whining or screaming because he wants something, like for me to open the door for him then I totally ignore him until he stops and is calm. Once he shows the behavior that I want, then I open the door for him.
If he is outside and whining then he loses his outside freedom and has to come in the house. If he continues to scream he either just gets ignored or he gets put in time-out.
I have found that with the Shiba Scream, the worst thing to do is to give Shiba a strong reaction because that is what Shiba is usually looking for. However, if he gets no reaction or just a calm time-out, then it is no fun for Shiba and he will stop and try something else.
That is very difficult to say. It would depend on the temperaments of the dogs, the people, the amount of time, etc. It certainly does sound like a challenge though. It would of course be much easier to get a dog that does not already have food aggression and guarding issues.
Heh, not in my experience. I think dogs gravitate towards the people who spend the most time with them, and give them the most resources (food, play, etc.). Actually there was a study that indicated that both wolves and dogs can pick out people who are in a more attentive state and these are the people they will beg from.
Hi ShibaShake…Shiba Sasha and I have been having some issues when I have guests over. She just had her first birthday and has been maturing along nicely, training is an on I going process, some days she is an obedient angel…others a stubborn shiba head. but I have been lucky and never dealt with any major “bad dog” issues…until I have friends stay over and give them more attention than I give Sasha. The first time was during a friends wedding back in Feb…we had several people staying with us, Sasha enjoys the company, loves to play with everyone, but when we were in and out of the house often, we would arrive to something torn up inside…which is something she NEVER does, that time it was a leather belt….torn to shreds. She immediately hid under the bed upon our discovery of it although I did not yell or scold her…I assume since dogs live in the moment this wouldn’t be productive…is this correct?
This past weekend our best friends have been staying with us, Sasha is perfectly lovely while we are all here, no whining or barking, she seems content just happy to watch everyone and eager to get some attention and chase a few balls every now and then. But as soon as we leave and return back we have been finding an item in the same spot in the very middle of the living room floor completely destroyed…day one-the novel “girl with a dragon tattoo”..completely shredded, day two-a straw sushi mat shredded, day three-black ink pen, four-a coupon for golf…all completely random and arbitrary items..not things she “likes” to mess with like tissues or tennis shoes both of which were readily available…we always have tons of shoes out, she hasn’t touched them..I dont know whether to just ignore the behavior, put her in a crate when we have guests over and we leave the house, or punish her when she tears stuff up. It really seems as if she is jealous of her parents doting on anyone else beside her and is acting out when she is alone…I dont want to give human attributes to a non human situation though. What is your opinion and what do you think the best solution would be?? We dont have guests over very often but she loves our friends that we visit often and she really is very friendly with new people and remembers those she has met before clearly. Sorry for such a long post, thanks for your time!!!
Cynthia and Sasha boo
Hello Cynthia,
Based on your description it sounds like it could be from stress or anxiety.
From observing Shiba Sephy, he gets stressed whenever there are any changes in his routine. He also thinks of himself as the caretaker of everyone in the house, so when people are missing (not according to schedule) he can get stressed.
When Sephy gets stressed he often tries to relieve his stress by chewing on things. While we were going through Shania’s surgeries, there were big changes to our routine, and during that time Sephy chewed up a lot of things – including some headphones. Luckily he isn’t really interested in eating the stuff.
Once we were done with that, Sephy settled back down.
The common way for dealing with such anxiety issues is to desensitize Shiba to them. For example, Sephy used to also get stressed when we went grocery shopping during the weekends. To get him over that, we would sometimes both leave the house during the weekends, but only for very short periods of time. We started with just a few minutes – step out, step back in.
Then we slowly lengthened the time.
Your scenario is a bit higher level than that since it also involves having people over. But perhaps desensitizing her to having nobody in the house outside of her routine would be of some help.
As you say, putting her in her crate is another possibility, but if she gets too stressed she may try to break out of her crate and hurt herself. I would first try it for shorter durations and see how she does.
Another possibility is to get a dog walker to take her out during those times, or do a short daycare session.
Here is an article on dog separation anxiety that may have more ideas.
Let us know how it goes. Hugs to Sasha!
Hello Shiba Shake,
I love your website is has so much great advice about the shiba inu’s. I was walking today in the pack when I fell in love with a dog went to the owner and asked few questions about him that’s when he told me its a japanese breed called shiba inu, he gave me the breeders number and everything but I have never owned a pet before and I am more of a cat person than a dog but from what he told me that they behave similar to cats. From reading your website its seems to be a challenge to train and maintain a shiba inu this is my very first time what advice do you have for me what should I where and where do I start? Thank you very much I appreciate all your help!
Love you website,
Othman
Hello Othman,
I got a Shiba as my first dog and it was definitely a big challenge for me.
It is doable – but will require more time and effort than many other breeds. Also, unlike most other dogs, Shibas tend to be a lot more aloof (this is one of their more cat-like characteristics.)
Shibas also have pretty high prey drive, so they have to be trained to get along with house cats.
Looking back, I think I would have started with a different breed and then get the Shiba as a second dog. In this way, I would already know a lot of the general dog stuff from my first dog, and can focus on the Shiba specific stuff with my second dog.
However, I am also a big believer in getting the dog that we want most. Dogs are a lot of work, a lot of money, and can sometimes be a big pain in the ass, so it is important not to have any regrets over the look, breed, and temperament of the dog that we choose to share our lives with.
If you are interested in getting a Shiba Inu, check out the breeder list on the National Shiba Club of America -
http://www.shibas.org/breeders.html
When I was looking for my second dog, a Siberian Husky, this is what I did –
http://thedoginc.com/siberian-husky-puppies#how
Here is what to look out for in terms of finding a good breeder -
http://thedoginc.com/siberian-husky-puppies#breeder
Let me know if you have more questions.
Hello Shibashake
What email can I send the photos to?
Thanks
Doug
I have a dog that looks very much like a Shiba but I am unsure. How can I tell?
Is it possible to send a photo to you?
Many thanks
Doug
Hello Doug,
I love looking at Shiba pictures so please feel free to post a link or send a photo to me. However, I would only be guessing as to his breed. You would probably know better than me because you have first hand knowledge of his temperament and quirks.
A more accurate way of identifying a dog’s breed is to do DNA testing. There are now a variety of places that offer dog DNA testing and they range in price from about $50-$100.
Could you tell me the name of the surgeon for your Siberian Husky? I have a bulldog pup with the same condition. Did you surgeon say that a prosthetic might be an option?
Hi Nicole,
The surgeon is Dr. Walls from the Veterinary Surgical Associates.
http://www.vsasurgery.com/personnel/surgeons.asp.htm
At the time, we were trying to save Shania’s leg by slowly realigning her bones. Even though it was still an experimental procedure, the surgeon was optimistic and gave it an 80% chance of success. My own research into similar procedures also showed promise. In the end, it did not work out. We ended up being in the 20% group.
They have probably made more advances now, so I would definitely consult your vet about it.
Given Shania’s age and activity level, we decided not to go with prosthetics.
There is some good discussion on prosthetics in the Tripawds site -
http://tripawds.com/2008/06/28/prosthetics-should-tripawds-just-be-tripawds-or-bionic-dogs/
Unfortunately I have also forgotten what email address I should send the photos to.
Dear Shibashake,
I am very sorry that I have not sent you my dog birthday photos I have been extremely busy, I will send them as soon as I can.
No worries Winton. I will send you an email.
Of course, a harnass. Why didn’t I think of that? I think I have one in the house I can use (it was for an old dog of ours when he was a puppy and might be just the right size for a half grown Shiba).
I’m not super worried about getting it on him. We handle Kiba a lot and I think he’s used to the indignanty of me poking and proding him however I want without regard to his pride. He’s still okay with others picking him up and poking him too (neighborhood kids, the vet, etc).
Now, if we could just un-teach him how to climb the stairs…
We’ve just started walking Kiba in the neighborhood (vaccinations are FINALLY done). Whew.
So, my problem is leash pulling. He doesn’t try to bite it at all yet, and he will sit to put the leash on and sit to go outside – but once we’re walking, he pulls so hard he chokes himself and starts to wheeze.
I’ve tried pulling the other way, trying to get him to sit, etc, to no affect. He’s not pulling towards an object, he just wants to run instead of walk. If I jog, he’s content to stay beside me. He doesn’t see a connection between pulling and going home, so that isn’t working either.
Funny thing is – we sat outside on the lawn after our walk last night so my son could play with other kids in the neighborhood. Kiba sat quietly and let all the kids pet him and meet him, then lounged on the grass while they ran around and played (didn’t try to chase, showed no interest in pulling his leash). Apparently, this is a walk only behavior.
Any ideas?
Hello Andrea,
When Sephy was young, I used a harness instead of a collar. He also pulled really hard and the harness kept him from choking himself. The only thing with the harness is that after a bit Shiba may not want to put it on. So it is important to desensitize Shiba to it and make it into a positive experience. Other than that, it is great for leash training a small dog.
In terms of the pulling, Sephy was very stubborn so it took a while before he gave up the ghost. What worked best for Sephy is to give him no attention whatsoever – no talking or looking. He pulls, I just stop and ignore him. I only took him out on short walks, but I did it frequently.
I also did collar corrections with him really early on – but that did not work out well for us.
Hi ShibaShake!
I’m in a bit of a dilemma. I love Shiba Inu’s and have wanted one for a few years and a few weeks ago I found one on craiglist for only $600 and she’s 8-9 months old with the most interesting markings I have ever seen on a Shiba Inu, so I was ecstatic and asked my mom if she could call Inuki’s (the Shiba Inu) owner and see if we could meet her. So we met her a few days ago and she’s a beautiful dog, but she did almost everything that you said in your blog wasn’t good to let a Shiba Inu do. She tugged and chewed on her leash, did the ‘alligator-roll’, ate leaves, sticks, etc. and she got so bored and frustrated that she started grabbing the tips of my hair and ripping it! The owner didn’t see her rip my hair, but everything else he did see and he just chuckled at them. He told us that at home, when he’s working she’ll take his dirty clothes and scatter them or put her paw on his hand and force it off of the desk and when he’s walking around she’ll snap at the air in front of his feet. He thinks it’s funny and cute and I did too (except for the snapping at the air part) until I read your blog. We told the owner that we needed a few days to think about it and after we left my mom said that we shouldn’t get her since the owner let’s her do all that stuff and it’ll be too hard to teach her not to do that stuff since she’s almost 1 year old.
So that’s my dilemma, ha ha. What do you think or suggest I should do? I’d really love to get Inuki, but I’m worried about her little ‘habits’.
Hello Jennifer,
Heh, when I first got my Shiba I didn’t do much research so he developed a lot of bad habits. Then I used aversive techniques on him which didn’t work out well at all. After about 6 months, we finally started on the right track with careful management and reward training. It took me another 6 months to reverse most of my earlier mistakes, but lucky for me it is always possible to retrain undesirable dog behaviors.
Shibas are stubborn though, so retraining will be more of a challenge than with many other dog breeds.
If this is your first Shiba, it may be best to go with a puppy or well-trained adult. Check out the breeder list on The National Shiba Club of America for AKC registered breeders in your area.
http://www.shibas.org/breeders.html
Many of them will have websites. Then give some of them a call to see if they have upcoming litters or even trained adults that they want to place. AKC breeders have strict breeding guidelines and they usually breed healthy dogs with good temperament.
Do you already have other dogs? If so, it is probably easier to get a puppy.
This article is about getting Siberian Husky puppies but many of the things apply to Shiba puppies as well. It may be an interesting read -
http://thedoginc.com/siberian-husky-puppies
So far, nothing that works well for a Shiba. Which, is fine, I mainly signed him up for the dog socialization aspect. We had another class this Monday and Kiba was a pain the whole time. We’re just doing basic obedience (sit, down, stay, heel) and some agility stuff (tunnels, stairs). Kiba’s started teething really badly so he’s not interested in anything he can’t chew on.
He had his first half day of doggy day care today (we’ll do half days until he’s all adjusted) and he was nervous, but played with some of the puppies. His friend Otto from the puppy classes was there so it wasn’t a totally new environment. He also spent last weekend with my in-laws and did really well (we were out of town).
I am pleased to report he’s learned the “leave it” command… works on everything except paper and cat poo…
Hi Andrea,
Yeah, me too.
The two most useful things I learned in puppy class -
1. Bite inhibition – this was the best! Just for this alone, the class was worth it.
2. Play breaks. Shiba Sephy is like a sports car and can go from 0 mph to super crazy play in a few seconds. Frequent short breaks really helped us manage him.
That is awesome! Sephy was not very good with Leave-It. He would leave things in the house, but when it comes to finding crap outside, he acts like he just found gold.
The more I try to take things away from him, the more he wants them.
I had to watch him like a hawk so that I can stop him before he gets it in his mouth. I also became a lot more Zen about stuff and let him have tissues and non-dangerous items that he found. He soon grew bored and stopped picking up every piece of street crap.
Glad to hear that doggy day care went well! Hugs and kisses to Kiba.
Hi Shibashake!
Thank you for your wonderfully thorough website! My husband and I have a 1.5 year old female shiba inu named Koda. We absolutely love her and her personality. She is very friendly and excited to meet people, good with kids, and does not guard resources with people. We take her to the dog park very seldom now that we have a big yard for her but did notice that when she was at the dog park she would steal toys from other dogs and then taunt them with it and growl and fight when they came close. We would immediately leave the dog park when this happened but since we haven’t been in quite some time it hasn’t really been an issue.
About 3 weeks ago our sister-in-law and her husband got a Siberian Husky puppy, also a female named River, and we decided that it would be great for them to meet at our Easter dinner. The pup, River, and her owners came over the day before so we could do introductions and things did not go at all as planned. The dogs met in our front yard and played very well together except when one of them had a “toy”. Koda, our shiba, would get very mean and growl and steal the toy, even if the toy was a pine cone or stick laying in the yard. River is very relaxed at only 11 weeks and could’ve cared less. We weren’t really sure what to do so we just said “no” which really didn’t do anything at all. After a while it was time to go into the house and Koda guarded the front door like the a CIA agent protecting the president. She did not want River inside. When River came inside Koda followed her everywhere and would perform what I call the drive by side swipe and bite move. Things got worse when River picked up a toy or when her owners gave her food. Koda would go nuts if River went anywhere near anything she perceived as hers even if it actually belonged to River.
Eventually we started putting Koda in the backroom when she was mean or starting biting or growling but we’re not really sure that worked. We are supposed to watch River for a week in about two weeks and now are feeling completely overwhelmed and uncertain what to do. There’s so much information online that’s helpful but there’s SO much information we don’t know how to integrate it and where to start. We are also planning on getting a new puppy (a shikoku) in the next 9 months and now are worried that Koda is the kind of dog that can’t have another dog in the house. Could you give us a place to start or some advice? We’d appreciate anything.
Thank you!
Becky
Hello Becky,
LOL! That is too funny!
When I first brought my Sibe puppy home, Shiba Sephy was not impressed. He did not like puppy being in his backyard and he did not like puppy coming up to him and bugging him. I was worried for the first few days because Shania got along with puppy right away, but Sephy didn’t seem to.
After about 1 week though, Sephy started to accept puppy into his pack, and now after over 1 month he is actually very good with puppy. He lets puppy smell his butt, and he tolerates puppy biting him and jumping all over him even when he is resting.
Often, puppy uses Sephy as her chew toy!
Shibas are bred to be guard dogs so they don’t trust as easily as Siberians. The legendary Shiba-aloofness does not help either.
Here are some of the things I did with puppy and Shiba that helped -
1. I try to always set Shiba up for success. I removed all high priority items – bully sticks, new toys, etc. In this way he is less likely to protect items.
2. Whenever Shiba is next to puppy, I make it into a positive and rewarding experience. Often, I will be doing simple obedience commands with puppy and Shiba will sometimes come over to get in on the food action. When he does this, I get him to do commands as well and make sure to reward him well. Very soon, Shiba was coming over for most obedience sessions.
3. I supervise carefully when they are together and prevent any kind of stealing. I make sure to prevent puppy from coming close to Shiba when he is chewing on his toys or busy. This teaches the dogs that I am the one that keeps the peace and they don’t have to do it themselves.
4. I prevent puppy from smelling Shiba Sephy’s butt because I know he does not like new dogs doing that.
5. Shiba and puppy are both on drag leads so that I can control them more easily if need be. Constant management and supervision are very important especially in the initial stage.
In general, I try to step in and stop any conflicts before they occur so that I keep Shiba and puppy time together positive and safe. I try to be fair and puppy has to follow the same rules as the other dogs.
Here is an article I wrote about getting and managing a second dog -
http://shibashake.com/dog/second-dog-introducing-a-second-dog
Good luck! Let us know how it goes with River.
So, Kiba has had two puppy classes so far. His puppy classmates are a little mixed breed with long hair and a french bull dog. All three are about the same age and size.
Class one – Kiba was a little shy with the other puppies during play time, but by the end of the class was playing like crazy. No growling or had biting, but lots of wrestling and nipping. He was obedience champion!
Class two – Kiba joined right in playing. Then the long haired dog nipped him hard. He squealed (Shiba drama, it wasn’t a bad bite – no skin broke and he didn’t limp or have on going pain). He then proceeded to act offended the whole class, ignored the long haired dog entirely (previously his favored playmate), refused any obedience commands (apparently I had broken faith by allowing him to be nipped), and would not eat treats. After an hour long pout it was time to go home at which point he perked up and was happy again.
So, good news, no dog aggression yet. Bad news, like all Shibas he is a DRAMA QUEEN!
Our trainer has never dealt with a Shiba before so his desire to be chased, pouting talent, and bad recall (he stops 3 feet away, sits, and won’t come no matter what) are kind of baffling her.
LOL! That sounds like a Shiba!
Sephy is very good at sulking too. Every time I give him a time-out, he acts like I have severely wronged him and put him through some sort of torture.
The first class we went to actually had another Shiba puppy who was actually very well behaved. Sephy liked him most. Whenever he was around, Sephy would only play with him and totally ignore all the other puppies.
How are subsequent classes? What are they teaching in class? Anything that works really well with Shibas?
Thank you so much – that is exactly the information I was looking for. And I also must admit that I was thinking I already sent those to you but am realizing now that I didn’t! I’ll get to mom’s this weekend – my pictures of him are stored on her computer – and PROMISE to send you some to pick from. I also need to send you his series of pictures which I’ve dubbed “Shiba ‘Death to my Tail’ Chase”… yeah, you can imagine. ;o) Go hug those doggies for me!
The new pictures are great! Sephy’s face in the battle pictures absolutely cracked me up. I can’t believe how fast the new pup is growing, and what a cuddler! I do have a question for you… Zeus isn’t bored with his kong but he does have a been there done that, maybe I’ll chew on it after I tear up the carpet type of attitude. I wanted to get him bully sticks or some rawhide bones but have heard such mixed reviews from vets I just wasn’t sure. He is 7 months old now. Do you do rawhide or bullies with your pups? Have you had any bad experiences if so?
Hi Jess,
I started with rawhide but several trainers warned me about them. The problem with rawhide is that sometimes dogs chew of pieces that are too large and when they swallow them, they may choke on them. Based on what I read, Shiba’s are susceptible because of their long sharp teeth which allows them to tear chunks off effectively.
Another problem with rawhide is that it is not digestible by dogs. As a result, it may also cause digestive issues if it absorbs water and expands in the dog’s stomach.
I now use bully sticks. I don’t give them too much of these, maybe about 1 per week or less. The nice thing about bully sticks it that it is digestible, and is mostly made up of protein.
However, they are more expensive and the dogs can get through them very quickly. Shania finishes one in about 15-20 minutes. Still though, she likes it very much. Sephy is weird and will only work on bully sticks that have first been per-chewed by Shania.
Bully sticks can also be somewhat smelly. Some of this is brand dependent.
Anyway send me some pictures of Zeus when you have the time so I can include them with his new poem.
Maria – My shiba does the same thing. He’ll lick the couch or his dog bed until it looks like he piddled on it. I just assumed it was because my kids spill things sometimes and he was enjoying the left overs… but it’s interesting that yours does it too.
Hello Shibashake,
Just been surfing and found your site. I have a couple questions i hope some one can answer for me. I adopted my Shiba 2 years ago, Bella will be 5 in June. I just LOVE this lil girl to bits. However, just recently she has been getting a little nippy in the past few days. Bella put on a few pounds this past winter. No more bread and butter from the table, I swear! But now she hasn’t been eating much. We have been doing major spring cleaning. Could this be the reason? She normally has the run of the house but since the cleaning,washing carpets and walls etc., her space is limited. Bella ran down the stairs and strained her back paw. Could this contribute to the “nipping”. Also, this year she hates to walk. Last year as soon as i put the dinner dishes in the dishwasher she was at the door. Now I have to chase her around the house. Shut doors, block off the stairs.Bella just runs and hides. But once i get her lease on she is ready to go. She will “trot” the whole time, for spite i think. I must admit after 15 minutes of running around the house and i don’t lasso her. i just give up. How can I get her out the door?
Again I love my very much dog!
Hello Dakota,
It could be. When Sephy is in pain he gets more mouthy than usual. I guess he feels more vulnerable and views more things as threats. Might want to consider taking her to the vet just in case.
Hmmm, Sephy will try to do this sometimes. A game of chase before a fun walk is always better than just a fun walk.
If he runs away, I go about my business and then go out to put on my shoes. Then I come in again and count to 3. If he does not come, I take off my shoes and he does not get to go walk. I try again after a couple of hours.
Usually, when I go out to put on my shoes, he will come to the door and be ready for his walk.
Hugs to Bella. Let us know how it goes.
Hey Shiba
so Kali has started this odd behavior latley. When she is laying down (either on the couch or in bed) she starts licking whichever she is on in the same spot. she’s not licking herself she’s licking the couch or the bed. I am constantly finding huge wet spots after she’s gets up. Just wondering if this was something you’ve seen or if I should be worried… it’s more annoying then anything… (and kinda gross)
Hello Maria,
That is interesting. Sephy usually does the licking carpet thing as an extension of his grooming exercise. He will lick his feet or butt and then clean up the surrounding areas as well. He is very obsessive about cleaning, so frequently he over-cleans.
When he first started doing this, we thought he had problems with his anal glands. We brought him to the vet to get it expressed/expelled, but the vet said his glands was normal and not really full. Every year when he goes for his check-up we make sure to ask the vet to do this, just to be safe.
I think Shibas just love themselves so much they have to lick up their own scent. How is that for narcissism??!
hi there. came across your site and just love it. you hit the shiba inu on the spot. Anyways i have a 8 month old shiba. his name is Dag. we think he might be a little of a runt. because of his size, he only weighs 20 pounds. he isnt fixed. and hes really cocky. King Dag. the only problems iv had with him is when he gets loose. and i play the chasing game… rain or shine. anyways does your shiba constantly whine? and holy heck does he cry when i touch his paws. like i was chopping them off lol.
LOL – yeah Shiba Sephy is a big whiner. The most annoying is when he wakes up early in the morning and whines to come out of his crate. He pretty much whines any time he wants something and isn’t getting it.
Yeah Sephy is sensitive about being touched as well. After a lot of desensitization work, he is a lot better. Now, he even lets us grind his nails, wipe his paws, and brush his teeth.
Hi Shibashake!
I came across your site a while back just when I got my shiba puppy, Taiga and your information is super helpful =) I know you’re not a vet, but I just wanted some suggestions if you have any. Taiga is 19 weeks and is showing signs of humping and my breeder did mention maybe consider neutering him earlier at 5 months old. I was considering going to a vet for a checkup first to make sure he was ready. I was wondering if you knew how long it would take for a shiba to recover for a neuter surgery? He has several obedience classes scheduled for the next few weeks, so I was wondering if I should delay the neuter until he is done his classes? Any help would be great, thank you so much!!
Hello Shirley,
Sephy also got neutered at around 5 months. They did one of those dissolvable stitches thing. On the first night there was some leakage, then it was good after that. Sephy was a big biter though, so he had to have the Cone of Shame (the e-cone) on the whole time.
The most challenging part was keeping a young Shiba occupied for those 2 weeks with no running and no jumping. Frozen Kongs were awesome during that time. I am also using them now on my hyper Sibe puppy.
Let us know how it goes with Taiga.
hmmm… not sure what the URL is, but I’m pretty sure if you search Maria C Zucca, I should be the only one.
hope all is well with the new pupper!!!
Hello! We have a non neutered Shiba and we are clueless on how to get him to stop marking his territory in the house! We have had him for about 5 years now and we are unsure of his exact age… he was abused at the last place he lived and he also has a seizure disorder.
He pees on the couch and on the doggy couch… on the corner of our bed and sometimes on the kitchen chair legs. He has done it right in front of me too!! We also have an English White Lab (who is a giant baby!) that has never marked his territory – he is neutered.
I don’t know if it would be moot at this point to get him neutered. I have cleaned spots time and time again… and he still does it!! We are going to go out and get a kennel this weekend but I don’t know if that will help. He is a very independent little guy, very active and energetic also. He is very bossy and extremely dominating.
Any suggestions, please?? We are willing to do anything at this point…
Thanks!
Maria – She might also be one of the other Japanese breeds. Several of them have personality traits similar to the Shiba, but are larger (40-50 lbs or more). Some still have the foxy coloring, but others are black or white or mottled.
Yes the water thing is weird. She doesn’t like to swim either. I don’t know for sure that she’s mixed with lab, but she’s mixed with something. She bigger than your typical Shiba (about 50 pounds) and her features are a lot “softer” than a pure.
The only place I have pics of her online is FB… you can look me up there or I can e-mail a couple to you if you’d prefer (unless there’s a way to upload them here.)
I’m really enjoying reading of your adventures in puppy parenting!
Hello Maria,
What is your FB URL? I tried looking for your but there are too many hits. Thanks!
Hello Shibashake!!
I just found your website and just wanted to say hello. I have a 5 year old Shiba/lab mix (I think, I rescued her when she was 1.5 years). I immedietly thought she must be Shiba because of the way she looks, but after reading all your behavior stuff there is no doubt that my baby is predominatly Shiba… everything you say is right on. For example I had had her about a week when I came home from the dog park one day in a FL DOWNPOUR!!! I was trying to get to my door quick, so I cut tried to cut across the little bit of lawn. Well Kali wasn’t having any of getting her feet wet, and she planted and started backing up… she ended up slipping out of her collar and taking off. The first of many Shiba chases!!!!
Anyway, it’s good to know others out there understand my pain (and pleasure). She is the first dog I have ever owned, and is just great!!
Hahaha – that definitely sounds like a Shiba! Sephy has also slipped out of his collar a couple of times by backing up. I now use the Premier no-slip martingale collar and it is great for preventing collar escapes. It is interesting that she favors her Shiba side so much, since Labs tend to like water.
Big HUGS to Kali. Do you have any pictures for her up on the web? Would love to see her.
Help! Advice for Ziva and her never ending shedding needed!! Her winter shed started in February but the coat blowing I expected has never completed the cycle. She has a few tufts here and there–then it stops blowing but keeps “dribbling off”. We bathe her and she sheds lots…but then it slows down. We brush…we Furminate….we undercoat rake….but still, it’s never ending. Don’t get me wrong, the shedding never really stops, but I was expecting a two week blow out–instead we’re getting a gradual avelance of hair. Any advice for getting this on and over with? Shiba Ziva and I would greatly appreciate it, as both of us are tired of having Shiba Undercoat in our eyes! We live in the Deep South, and temps are getting into the 70s and 80s and she’s about to be miserable if she doesn’t get rid of this winter coat.
Hi Brett,
Sounds like you are already doing all the right things so I am not sure what more I can add. My Shiba breeder told me that a bath and a blow-dry afterward gets the most hair out.
I have also noticed with Sephy that when I do more regular brushing during the year, he has a lighter coat blow. Last year I was less regular with his brushing, and his most recent coat blow was quite heavy and a big hair fashion emergency.
Try asking this question in the Shiba nihonken forum. Somebody there will probably have some good suggestions.
We’re having a barking issue with Kiba.
I have a home office and sometimes I need to work from it. We have it blocked off with a baby gate so Kiba can’t get in and maul stuff, but so we don’t have to close the door which causes the room to get very warm.
If I’m in the office and Kiba wants me to play with him, he comes to the door and barks and howls. We’ve tried anti-marking and time out to get him to stop, but as soon as we let him out of time out, he’s back at the baby gate, barking and howling.
It’s like he doesn’t connect what he’s doing with the time outs at all.
I’d like to note, that when he does this, he’s not alone in the house. My husband has been in the livingroom, with treats and toys, willing to play. Kiba just won’t go play with him, he wants me to come out.
Any ideas?
Several possibilities –
1. Try putting up a curtain so he can’t see you.
2. Have a play or walk training session in the backyard so that he is not there when you first go into your office.
3. Have your husband start feeding and training him more. This will help to create a stronger bond and set him up as another go-to person for Kiba.
4. Keep repeating the non-mark and time-outs, and try lengthening the time-outs of subsequent sessions. I usually have a very short initial time-out for Sephy, but if he keeps repeating, I start leaving him in there for longer and longer.
5. Have your husband do the time-outs etc., and you just totally ignore him. No talking, no eye-contact. With Sephy, he will sometimes start with his Shiba moves just to get a reaction from me – even if it is a negative reaction. The worst thing for him is to be ignored.
With Sephy, it took a whole lot of repetitions before he gave up. Shibas are extremely stubborn.
Also I have noticed that Sephy is extremely effective at sensing my feelings. If I get upset at something that he does, it is also a response, and he knows he can start using it to get what he wants. Once I was able to be Zen about his vocalizations, he stopped doing it. For example, he will sometimes whine a lot when he wants to come in or go out of the house into the backyard. I just ignore it – totally.
He has learned that I don’t care if he whines and he only gets let in when I am ready. Nowadays he knocks on the door once with his paw and waits there. Sometimes he gets impatient and knocks a few times for which he mostly just gets ignored. Sometimes I tell him to stop doing it – but only once. This lets him know that I have heard him, but I am not ready at the moment.
Make sure never to give Shiba anything when he is whining, even something like eye-contact. If you do, he will likely do it even more and with even more GUSTO!
Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
Hi Shibashake!!
I switched my Shiba Sasha’s food to Wellness brand natural dog food, she loves it and her coat is shinier, less scratching and allergies etc. But recently she hasn’t been eating as much, I like to put food out, have her eat it and take it away, but her eating patterns are so erratic it forces me to leave food for her to eat at her convenience. I’m wondering if she is doing some kind of shiba mind trick on me where she is demanding treats in lieu of real food?? Should i move her treats where she cant see them? should i scold her when she begs? i try and reward her randomly and always have her work for her special treats but she still seems to demand them and i do not want to reward begging or make her think she can skip eating puppy kibble and only survive on treats! any help appreicated!!! Thanks!
Hello Cynthia,
Sorry for the late reply. I just got a Sibe puppy last weekend and have been busy keeping the little ball of nuclear energy in check.
LOL Shiba mind trick – I like that! Yeah Sephy definitely did Shiba mind tricks on me when he was younger. He still tries today, but I have now developed a good resistance to it. Like Sasha, puppy Sephy would refuse to eat his kibble, and only eat the good stuff. When mixed together, he would pick out the good stuff and refuse to eat the kibble. I did all sorts of things to get him to eat, including grinding up his kibble and then mixing it into some wet food. That worked for a while but invariably, he went back to playing hard to get.
Switching to fixed meal times really helps. Shibas are stubborn but they will eat if they are really hungry. With fixed meal times, Sephy now works for his kibble. Sometimes he will start playing his Shiba tricks again and not eat for 1 day or so, but I just stick to the meal plan and he starts to eat once he realizes that he ain’t getting more of the good stuff.
Once eating kibble becomes a routine, Shiba will be less likely to try this particular mind game.
That may help. I know that Sephy becomes more obsessive when he can see something. I usually move stuff so that Sephy is not tempted to try and jump up on counters. However, it will likely not have too much of an effect on begging.
Different owners have different beg rules and restrictions. For example, I am fine with begging, as long as they do it nicely, e.g. Sit, no jumping, no biting, etc. Also no temper tantrums if I choose to ignore them. I also discourage begging when I am having dinner. Usually I will tell Sephy to go to his mat/bed, and reward him for doing that. Nowadays, he just goes to his bed on his own during meal-times.
I have found that a good way to get Sephy to do what I want is not only to tell him “No”, but also to tell him what to do instead. For example, just telling him not to beg didn’t work out well with him, whereas telling him to go to his mat instead lets him work and allows him to get rewarded.
So, we’ve had Kiba for over a week now and he’s still super mellow. He’s comfortable from what I can tell (isn’t nervous around us or guests), but he only gets hyper for about 1-2 hours a day and sleeps or cuddles the rest of the time.
Of course, when we let him out in the back yard, he becomes jet powered pup and runs around like a mad thing. I love that he pounces like a kitten when he plays!
Thanks! I guess only time will tell if he’s ill. I guess it takes 4-14 days for symptoms to appear.
I hope he is not sick.
I don’t remember puppies having this many things to be scared about when I was younger.
I may have done a bad thing!
I brought Kiba with me to work today so he wouldn’t be in the house alone (and he is too little for doggy day care). I took him to a grassy place across the street to potty and discovered poop from other dogs! I’d already let him down and now I’m scare he may get parvo. He’s already been very calm (at least when he’s not in his crate at night!) so I’m worried he’s sick.
He was vet checked when we got him and has had his first vaccines…
What should I do?
-Andrea
Hi Andrea,
I had a similar experience when Sephy was young. I was out walking with him when he was 3/4 immunized and we met a friendly dog from an equally friendly neighbor, and I let Sephy meet the dog, smell his butt, etc. Later I got really worried about parvo. It turned out that Sephy was ok; it was just limited exposure, for a very limited time, and in a clean neighborhood, so the risk of infection was very low. However, for a while there, I began to look at everything through “parvo lenses”.
Try not to worry too much. Just make sure he is still eating well, pooping well, and not showing any clear signs of sickness (e.g. vomiting). Also, no harm giving your vet a call and see what the nurse says. In the beginning I called up my vet a fair amount.
Hugs to Kiba.
We’re using the same kibble as the breeder and he’s had no ill effects (it is grain free already, yay!)
Thankfully, the breeder had him acclimated to handling when we picked him up. He’s been VERY tolerant of all family members so far playing with and touching him. We have pretty much been transferring him from lap to lap (he’s been a cuddle bug in the house, but turns into a hyper explorer in the back yard.)
He and the cats are also just kind of ignoring each other so far.
We got his collar today and putting it on him was a complete non-event (once again thanks to the breeder.) He scratched at it twice and hasn’t even noticed it since. I’ve put it on and off several times with no problems. The leash, on the other hand, he started biting within seconds. I’ve found if I walk quickly and just ahead of him, he’ll worry more about keeping up than the leash though.
He’s eating a bit now and will “sit” if bribed with chicken. He LOVES chicken.
His crate and not sleeping with us is NOT making him happy, but it’s only day two, so I have hope.
By the end of the week, I may be crying about him – but the first two days have been pretty good.
Hi Shibashake, my name is Tara. I just came across your website while researching shock colloars for my dog. I have a one year old male black and tan Shiba Inu named Kelsey – he’s my baby and I love him, but we have reached a scary crossroad. Last night at a family birthday party he attacked a guest and drew blood in several places on the guests hand. Kelsey, just like all of the descriptions I’ve seen on your site, is sneaky, wild, aloof at times, and listens only when he knows it will be to his benefit. He is enrolled in obdedience traning with a well-respected trainer, but he’s smarter than the system – he performs in class and then thinks he’s the boss at home. This is not the first time he has drawn blood – he has a serious collar phobia (which he’s had since I brought him home at eight weeks). My dad was Kelsey-sitting for me while I was out of town and Kelsey slipped out of his collar; while trying to get the collar back on, Kelsey, who is terrified/hates the action, bit my dad and caused deep enough wounds to need stitches. My dad was broken-hearted and put the dog in his kennel without the collar on. After this experience my dad took Kelsey to see a dog behavior specialist, who deemed Kelsey “fear aggressive”. Not only is he aggressive, but he’s every inch the typical Shiba – steals food off the table, hides my laundry, barks at all other dogs, hates strangers, and trusts very few people. I don’t know what to do – I love my dog and don’t want to give up on him because underneath his bad behavior he is still a sweetheart… even though the sweetheart shows a little less lately than the werewolf. I don’t believe in shock collars and I swore I’d never use one on my dog (Kelsey is my first dog), but after what happened last night my family is scared of Kelsey and even I cannot trust him – my family is urging me to take a more aggressive appraoch if I want Kelsey to be welcome anymore. I desperately need wisdom from other Shiba owners, because Shiba’s are unlike any other dog. This experience is exhausting – please let me know if there’s anything I can do/try to save my dog from a life of isolation. Thanks, Tara
Hello Tara,
I had many similar experiences with my Shiba Sephy. When I went to pick him up from the breeder (10 weeks old), we tried to put a collar on him, and he ran away to hide. We cornered him under the table, and he bit us when we tried to put on a collar (so that we could take him home). He did not break skin, but he was really afraid of people handling him, especially strangers.
I started out with the “more aggressive approach” because Sephy’s breeder and our first vet tech recommended the more aggressive approach. I later realized that that only *deepened* his fear aggression and it made things worse. Every time he did something wrong, he got some kind of pain/dominance correction which included strong leash corrections, alpha rolls, or finger jabs. While these pain based techniques seemed to work for me initially, Sephy got quickly habituated to the pain, and he would fight back even more because he had started to associate people with pain.
Here is the story of Shiba Sephy and me -
http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Shiba-Inu-Sephy-and-Me
At the end, the “more aggressive approach” worked out poorly for Sephy. He became even more aggressive, even more aloof, and he did not trust us at all. At this time, I did consider using the shock collar because I was very afraid of Sephy and did not want to go near him. After doing some research on shock collars, however, I decided against it.
Here are some of the things I found on shock collars -
http://shibashake.com/dog/dog-shock-collar-good-bad
What ultimately worked out best for Sephy was to institute a lot of rules within the household as well as a fixed routine. However, I would enforce those rules simply by controlling his resources – I did not get physical with him at all. I made him work for everything – including his food, his freedom, and even my affection.
As for the collar, I desensitized him to it so that instead of seeing it as a negative object that gets forced on him, he started to see it as a positive thing that we put on before a fun walk outside. Here is what I did with Sephy -
http://shibashake.hubpages.com/_srec/hub/Dog-Walking-Leash-Training-Your-Dog#mod_11870644
Here is an article about the difficult period I went through with Sephy and some of the techniques that worked well with him -
http://shibashake.com/dog/pack-leader-to-an-aggressive-dog
Here are some other things that helped with Sephy at home -
http://shibashake.com/dog/puppy-obedience-training
Feel free to drop a comment anytime if you want to chat. The Shiba Inu forum can also be a great place to hook up with other Shiba owners.
http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/
Kiba came home yesterday so we’ve gotten through the first day and night.
Couple of questions – Did you have a hard time getting Sephy to eat when he first came home? Kiba’s turned up his nose at food and just drank some water today.
When to Shiba’s start getting hyper? So far, he’s been a very low key puppy.
The funniest “Shiba” thing so far has been – He wants to sit with us on the couch, but is too little to jump up on his own. And he doesn’t want us to pick him up. So he walks over and whines to get up. We go to pick him up and he dodges away. So far, I’ve just moved a bit quicker and hauled him up, at which point he cuddles and falls straight asleep.
Hello Andrea,
Yeah Sephy was a big pain in the ass about food in the beginning. He can still be very picky about food even now, but I no longer fall for his ploys.
Sephy does have food allergy issues though. In the beginning, the puppy kibble his breeder gave him had wheat in it (which he is allergic to), so he had the runs for a long time before we identified the source of the problem. Now I go with grain free kibble, and totally avoid wheat and corn.
I am also a big supporter of making Shiba work for his food.
Hmmm, with Sephy he was hyper after the first few days. For a few days he was unsure of himself, and didn’t know what was up. But once he got our number, he started his Shiba hijinks. I was pretty clueless so he totally drove me nuts.
One thing that I wish I started earlier with Sephy are handling exercises. Shibas tend to be really shy about handling, so after I got a clue, I spent a fair amount of time desensitizing Sephy to people touching him all over his body and also to grooming. Putting on a drag lead was also very helpful because like Kiba, Sephy loves dodging away and starting chasing games.
BIG hugs and kisses to Kiba!
Dear shibashake could I please have your email to share the photos? Thanks.
Sure, I will send you an e-mail.