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	<title>Comments on: Brad Pattison, CET Dog Training, &amp; In The Doghouse</title>
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		<title>By: shibashake</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-11011</link>
		<dc:creator>shibashake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks wht wolf. Very good to hear from someone who has taken his course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks wht wolf. Very good to hear from someone who has taken his course.</p>
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		<title>By: wht wolf</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-10814</link>
		<dc:creator>wht wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met him, took his course and almost became a trainer, thank god I didn&#039;t finish because it was very sad and disappointing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met him, took his course and almost became a trainer, thank god I didn&#8217;t finish because it was very sad and disappointing</p>
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		<title>By: shibashake</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-5439</link>
		<dc:creator>shibashake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I do not understand why so many people take discussion on the pros and cons of various dog training techniques as a personal insult to themselves.

For me, it is very simple. I want to find and use the best techniques that are most suited for my dogs so that they can have the best quality of life. It really isn&#039;t about me at all, but about my dogs. Everybody has an opinion about dog training, but I care most about hard facts and scientific studies. For example, here is one from the University of Pennsylvania -
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/if-youre-aggressive-your-dog-will-be-too-says-veterinary-study-university-pennsylvania

In terms of animal cruelty and abuse, hitting dogs, choking dogs, kicking dogs, etc. are often not considered abuse by the law. Only more extreme cases that cause immediate serious physical harm are prosecuted. And even then, it is difficult to prove and the resulting fines and penalties are miniscule compared to the crime.

Our laws are created mostly to protect people and not dogs. Dogs can&#039;t vote, so they have very few rights, and none at all in some places. 

Yes, dogs can hurt and even kill humans. But then, humans can also hurt and kill humans. Humans also often hurt and kill dogs. I don&#039;t see what relation any of that has to the matter at hand.

If the point is that only pain aversive techniques can stop aggression in dogs, then that is &lt;strong&gt;false&lt;/strong&gt;. Many scientific studies show that &lt;strong&gt;pain based aversive techniques actually have a much higher risk of encouraging aggression in dogs&lt;/strong&gt;.

We may choose to believe random people that we meet, random people on the internet, and random people on t.v.; or we may rely on the many years of rigorous study and results in animal behavior science and behavioral psychology. I choose the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I do not understand why so many people take discussion on the pros and cons of various dog training techniques as a personal insult to themselves.</p>
<p>For me, it is very simple. I want to find and use the best techniques that are most suited for my dogs so that they can have the best quality of life. It really isn&#8217;t about me at all, but about my dogs. Everybody has an opinion about dog training, but I care most about hard facts and scientific studies. For example, here is one from the University of Pennsylvania -<br />
<a href="http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/if-youre-aggressive-your-dog-will-be-too-says-veterinary-study-university-pennsylvania" rel="nofollow">http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/if-youre-aggressive-your-dog-will-be-too-says-veterinary-study-university-pennsylvania</a></p>
<p>In terms of animal cruelty and abuse, hitting dogs, choking dogs, kicking dogs, etc. are often not considered abuse by the law. Only more extreme cases that cause immediate serious physical harm are prosecuted. And even then, it is difficult to prove and the resulting fines and penalties are miniscule compared to the crime.</p>
<p>Our laws are created mostly to protect people and not dogs. Dogs can&#8217;t vote, so they have very few rights, and none at all in some places. </p>
<p>Yes, dogs can hurt and even kill humans. But then, humans can also hurt and kill humans. Humans also often hurt and kill dogs. I don&#8217;t see what relation any of that has to the matter at hand.</p>
<p>If the point is that only pain aversive techniques can stop aggression in dogs, then that is <strong>false</strong>. Many scientific studies show that <strong>pain based aversive techniques actually have a much higher risk of encouraging aggression in dogs</strong>.</p>
<p>We may choose to believe random people that we meet, random people on the internet, and random people on t.v.; or we may rely on the many years of rigorous study and results in animal behavior science and behavioral psychology. I choose the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Brad is so bad why have you not reported him to animal cruelty or domestic abuse.  I know why Brad gets pissed, so many of you should not even own a dog.  You all forget dogs are animals and can hurt or even kill humans.
I saw him work first hand without intimidating or even hurting a dog, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to me he ROCKS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Brad is so bad why have you not reported him to animal cruelty or domestic abuse.  I know why Brad gets pissed, so many of you should not even own a dog.  You all forget dogs are animals and can hurt or even kill humans.<br />
I saw him work first hand without intimidating or even hurting a dog, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to me he ROCKS!</p>
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		<title>By: shibashake</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>shibashake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your story with us BeKind!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
BTW, I have trained dogs for fifteen years using reward training and I have never had a dog fail to learn obedience that way.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Always great to hear from professional trainers like you. The more we spread this message, the better it will be for both dogs and dog owners.

When I got my Shiba Inu, I thought that aversive techniques was the only possible way to train a stubborn dog. 

It was a good thing that a trainer recommended that I read &quot;Bones Would Rain from the Sky&quot;. She also told me she had trained many stubborn and difficult dogs with reward techniques, and that such dogs actually respond much better to reward training.

And she is right! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story with us BeKind!</p>
<blockquote><p>
BTW, I have trained dogs for fifteen years using reward training and I have never had a dog fail to learn obedience that way.
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<p>Always great to hear from professional trainers like you. The more we spread this message, the better it will be for both dogs and dog owners.</p>
<p>When I got my Shiba Inu, I thought that aversive techniques was the only possible way to train a stubborn dog. </p>
<p>It was a good thing that a trainer recommended that I read &#8220;Bones Would Rain from the Sky&#8221;. She also told me she had trained many stubborn and difficult dogs with reward techniques, and that such dogs actually respond much better to reward training.</p>
<p>And she is right! <img src='http://shibashake.com/dog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BeKind</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeKind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article on Brad Pattison has made me feel better today - thank you.

Now let me explain before everyone thinks I like this jerk. About a week ago I saw him in front of my neighbour&#039;s house &#039;training&#039; a dog for an upcoming show. I watched him lift the poor puppy (maybe four months old?) off the ground by the collar so that it was hanging. I watched him pull the dog off of its feet through leash jerking. And finally, I saw him yell at the owners twice to punch their pet in the face- hard! That poor puppy was cowering in fear from this abuse. I damn near went out and &#039;trained&#039; this jerk!

All week I have been feeling alone - like I am the only one who sees this as abuse and a crime. I am so glad to see that other people feel the same way.

BTW, I have trained dogs for fifteen years using reward training and I have never had a dog fail to learn obedience that way. I say that any &#039;training&#039; that would be a crime if done to another human is cruelty to an animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article on Brad Pattison has made me feel better today &#8211; thank you.</p>
<p>Now let me explain before everyone thinks I like this jerk. About a week ago I saw him in front of my neighbour&#8217;s house &#8216;training&#8217; a dog for an upcoming show. I watched him lift the poor puppy (maybe four months old?) off the ground by the collar so that it was hanging. I watched him pull the dog off of its feet through leash jerking. And finally, I saw him yell at the owners twice to punch their pet in the face- hard! That poor puppy was cowering in fear from this abuse. I damn near went out and &#8216;trained&#8217; this jerk!</p>
<p>All week I have been feeling alone &#8211; like I am the only one who sees this as abuse and a crime. I am so glad to see that other people feel the same way.</p>
<p>BTW, I have trained dogs for fifteen years using reward training and I have never had a dog fail to learn obedience that way. I say that any &#8216;training&#8217; that would be a crime if done to another human is cruelty to an animal.</p>
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		<title>By: shibashake</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>shibashake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing the great links Alex - will definitely include them in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing the great links Alex &#8211; will definitely include them in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://shibashake.com/dog/in-the-doghouse-with-brad-pattison#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a new video comparing the CET title vs Certifications from other places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MpWbSbomI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a new video comparing the CET title vs Certifications from other places.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MpWbSbomI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MpWbSbomI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess they don&#039;t want people knowing the truth which is sad. If your a good trainer I&#039;m sure you would want everyone to see the methods you use. Not only for T.V. but in person or in this case videos been taken from semiars. Myself love showing what I can do with my dogs through positive methods, and how they want to be near me and not fear me. A dog which is in trouble will run from you as mine stand their ground and let me put them on a timeout. Which would you pick a dog who is going to run off on you or a dog who is going to want to be by your side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they don&#8217;t want people knowing the truth which is sad. If your a good trainer I&#8217;m sure you would want everyone to see the methods you use. Not only for T.V. but in person or in this case videos been taken from semiars. Myself love showing what I can do with my dogs through positive methods, and how they want to be near me and not fear me. A dog which is in trouble will run from you as mine stand their ground and let me put them on a timeout. Which would you pick a dog who is going to run off on you or a dog who is going to want to be by your side?</p>
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